Couple of terms that I need to define.

The Jewish people were given a state with the Balfour Declaration, made by classical antisemitism. He wanted the Jews out of England, so he made a state so he sent them to the holy-land, they didn’t want to go to Africa. Truman was another classical antisemitism and became the godfather of Israel. Even the Nazis were trying to send them to the region before they set up the concentration camps. That nation was founded in classical antisemitism. Many antisemitic want as many Jews to move as they can get, they are even willing to encourage classical antisemitism and hate antisemitism to that end. This has been proven by history.

Zionism is a white van distributing candy to unsuspecting Jews. It is a scam. The diaspora of Jewish people enrich civilization. Israel is false safety net for many in the diaspora. In it’s current form, that nation only feeds the hate antisemitism, and hurts those of us who like having Jews living among us. I adore the diaspora, but if a nation continues to commit atrocities it needs to be condemned.

Continued support for Israel is direct attack on the Jewish diaspora. Billions have been spent in the flatting of a beautiful ancient city that has seen continued inhibition for thousands of years. No one asked the Jews here or anywhere outside of that theocratic settler colony if they wanted to send additional funds to fuel the genocidal revenge for the escape of a few thousand people who were imprisoned there.

The ADL shouldn’t allow “from the river to the sea” to be considered antisemitic. Jews would still be allowed in Palestine if it were free. A call for the abolishment of Israel isn’t a call for ethnic cleansing. The changing of a regime doesn’t normally destroy a people. Anyone claiming that an attack on Israel is an attack on Jews is profoundly antisemitic, as Israel seems offended by the existence of the Palestinian people, a few of whom are even Jewish. Additionally, by claiming that a call for the dismantling of Israel is antisemitic, they are claiming that Jews are Israeli. This is even more problematic now that Biden is taking from US citizens to give Israel even more weapons to use against the Palestinian populations.

For this reason, we must do a few things. In order of importance:

  • Show unequivocal support for local Jewish people who are not Zionist.
  • Convince the ADL to declare a denouncement of Israel is not an antisemitic. Condemn the ADL for encouraging the confusion of Judaism and Zionism.
  • Advocate for Jewish enclaves or safe spaces with in our own countries, let every country in the world have it’s own Israel within it’s borders. Advocate for assurances that anyone facing classical or hateful antisemitism can seek asylum in our nations.

Slogan suggestions:

  • Free Palestine to save the Jews
  • End the genocide, from the river to the seaside
  • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    Mostly a good write-up but a couple of points about your conclusions:

    Convince the ADL to declare a denouncement of Israel is not an antisemitic.

    This will never happen. The nature of the ADL is such that it is inherently a Zionist organization. It is inextricably tied into the Zionist lobbying ecosystem. Instead of the ADL we should promote organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace.

    Advocate for Jewish enclaves or safe spaces with in our own countries

    I would be very careful with such suggestions. I know you don’t mean it this way but it can easily be mis-interpreted as a call for establishing Jewish ghettos. Best case scenario we would simply be replicating the Soviet idea of having a Jewish Autonomous Oblast, and while they also meant well when they implemented that, i’m not sure how effective it actually was in protecting Jewish people. This entire idea may be misguided, since segregation, even when voluntary, often ends up amplifying bigotry. Instead we should all try to make our entire country a safe space for Jewish people, and of course for all other religions and nationalities too.

    • MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
      6·
      8 months ago

      Also I just wanted to say thanks for pointing out the safe spaces thing, I think I fixed it. I can’t believe I came so close to suggesting ghettos, that is not something I’d ever want.

      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
        4·
        8 months ago

        You’re good, i think everyone here understands what you meant to say, it’s just that when it comes to putting stuff like this out to a wider audience we always have to be especially careful with the way we formulate things in order not to give malicious actors an opportunity to twist what we say to the worst possible interpretation and give ammo to Zionist propaganda.

    • MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
      5·
      8 months ago

      Instead of the ADL we should promote organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace.

      I didn’t mean to suggest that we should promote them, but to understand the power they wield. Obviously promoting the Jewish Voice for Peace is important as well.

      Best case scenario we would simply be replicating the Soviet idea of having a Jewish Autonomous Oblast, and while they also meant well when they implemented that, i’m not sure how effective it actually was in protecting Jewish people.

      I’m not sure about the JAO of the soviet union either, the stats I found on it made it seem like a non starter. Probably also not great to suggest they go to Siberia, given the things imperialists like to say about it.

      I would of course prefer to make sure my country remains a safe space for all religions, in all cities and regions. That would be ideal.

      Perhaps it would be better to simply have a guaranteed right that those facing hateful or classical antisemitism can receive asylum here? I’m not sure what the best answer is, I definitely see your point though.

  • MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
    5·
    8 months ago

    Let me be clear, what Palestinians are going through is infinitely worse. I just wanted to say that this is also an attack on the diaspora.

  • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Why not condemn the Zionist propganda group the ADL? Why try to “convince” them of anything. They should be disbanded in the same way the Nazi Party of America should be disbanded. Because while they are legal official organizations, they do not belong in a free and open society and everyone should be aware of what they really stand for.