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The real travisty here is The Verge trying to install Chrome instead of Firefox
The Verge is the IGN of the techblogs.
You spelled Opera GX wrong
Ah yes, the web browser that pays YouTubers to shill it. Surely a company with that marketing strategy must have an excellent product
People also forget about the loan sharking they did in Africa to take advantage of the most desperate
Wow you guys really can’t take a joke huh
It’s not even ironically unfunny, so no.
True, the way you guys get triggered is way funnier
lmao You’re pathetic.
Too bad they don’t have an option for “I just don’t want to use Edge”. Especially with how hard Microsoft is pushing it, that just makes me want to use it less.
With it being a free product, it must be very valuable for them to have you use it.
Just remember that when using edge or chrome.
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I don’t want to use edge, but I do have to admit between Chrome and Edge, Edge has become the less evil. It respects the search and ad tracking opt out settings on your account, and doesn’t disable or cripple ad blockers. The “strict” account wide setting on Edge is so strict that sites will pop up asking you disable ad blockers even if you don’t have one.
This VS the current state of Chrome which undermines ad blocking, and forces you to opt out of ad tracking on every install of Chrome across all devices… Oh… But they’re going to enable ip masquing now… Because they don’t need your ip with all the identifiers they are injecting into your browser.
I hate MS… But the don’t be evil company has done a 180 in a rapid fashion over the last couple of years and sadly… MS is now the lesser of two evils.
That a Microsoft product is the lesser of two evils is very damning for Google
And then there is Firefox, which isn’t evil at all. Lets not settle for any level of evil.
100%, it was a surprising and depressing realization when the recent updates forced me to take a good look at both ecosystems from the privacy, control and settings standpoints.
If I was choosing between chrome and edge, I’d choose edge.
But I use Firefox like all nerds should.
Exactly
Yep, I mainly use firefox but when I do need a chromium flavor, I would sooner go to edge than chrome itself.
Literally the reason I don’t use it is how hard they push it. It’s actually a great browser if you work in an office 365 environment
Microsoft sounding like an overly attached partner who cannot accept that the relationship is already over
Where’s the option for: “I don’t want to use edge because it shoves polls in my face”
Some people pay extra for that sort of thing.
Bravo
They should add a pop-up with a ‘Why not Firefox?’ question.
Only if it also comes with a picture of Zoidberg.
Yeah, that seems about right, after all everything will evolve into grab, foxes included.
Hmm, strange that none of the options is:
Microsoft is an evil company that tried to destroy the open World Wide Web. They abused their monopoly to drive Netscape out of business, and were convicted of doing that in court. Their famous “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” strategy broke standard HTML, broke Javascript, broke Java applets, and so-on. They also attempted to destroy Linux, spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt to make people afraid to use it. The reason I don’t use Edge isn’t about Edge, but about Microsoft. Whenever I have a chance to avoid using a Microsoft product, I take it.
…and go straight into Google’s arms instead?
Microsoft is Evil. Google is ungood.
That’s completely invalid if you’re switching over to Google products, who had to remove their motto “don’t be evil”.
Yup. Chrome is the new Internet Explorer.
Wow, where to start with this.
- Google didn’t “have” to “remove” their motto. As part of the restructuring to have Alphabet as a holding company that includes Google, Alphabet’s motto was “Do the right thing”. They argued at the time that “evil” is hard to define, and that the goal shouldn’t just be to avoid evil, but to do good. There’s nothing that made them “have” to do that. But, maybe you could argue that it generated a lot of negative press for them, so they felt pressure to change.
- The “Don’t be evil” motto is, itself, a reference to Microsoft. It came about sometime between 1999 and 2001, when Microsoft was on trial for their evil acts. Abusing their monopoly to drive Netscape out of business, in particular. Some might argue that Google has also abused their monopoly, but it would be hard to argue that they did it in the same evil way as Microsoft, who used Internet Explorer to destroy standard HTML, fractured Javascript by creating JScript, destroyed Java applets by using ActiveX controls, lied about it being impossible to remove Internet Explorer from Windows, falsified evidence at their federal antitrust trial, etc.
Basically, while you might find Google’s surveillance-capitalism model distasteful, they’re nothing like Microsoft’s true evil.
That just proves my point. A proposal made in public that many people oppose, vs. Microsoft simply releasing browsers that ignored existing standards and forcing people to deal with their shit.
You may think that this web environment integrity idea is terrible, I do, but it’s not actually in any browser yet. There’s time to push back on it. There are other browsers which are not going to implement it.
Compare that to IE where suddenly websites would break because Microsoft released a new browser and just stomped all over existing standards, forcing people to rewrite their websites.
There’s just no comparison in the level of evil between the two companies.
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How old are you? 12?
Is this part of the survey?
I wish one of the options was Bill Gates’ 1976 Open Letter to Hobbyists.
But if that’s really how you feel, you likely wouldn’t be running Windows (and hence be stuck with Edge as your default browser) in the first place.
If it’s a work issued computer, they might not have a say in the choice of OS.
Until recently, getting games to work on Linux was a real pain. The main purpose of my Windows machine is for games.
Use Linux.
I’ve been playing with Mint on an old computer and I gotta say Linux is not as difficult as people think. All the programs I use work very well on Mint. When I eventually buy a new computer I’m gonna go completely Linux.
That’s great!
I love Linux but people like you who won’t shut the fuck up about it make me hate it.
I can no longer admit that I use Linux in Public because of people like the person you replied to.
I’m a happy Linux user. The biggest problem with Linux for the average user is that you have to install it. Most people use Windows because it’s on their computer when they buy it. The average person isn’t going to distinguish between the hardware and the software. They see the computer and the OS as a package.
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Seeing the horde of Linux evangelists here at Lemmy has been reminding me of seeing a similar push toward it back in the mid 00s.
Back then I tried probably 5 or 6 different Linux variants.
And after trying them all, I went right back to Windows.
Why?
Because I realized that all I wanted was for my OS to disappear, and years of using Windows meant that I wanted something that looked, felt, and acted like Windows. So any version of Linux that might replace it for me was going to have to do that while also adding some positives to the exchange to more-than-cancel-out the awkward differences.
As I said, I tried several, for a few months each, really trying to give them a fair shake.
In the end, I found that whatever one I liked best was the one I liked best because it was the least awkward to use…but even that one was just a worse experience than just using Windows.
So for an average user like me, who really doesn’t have any problem with Windows…why switch?
So for an average user like me, who really doesn’t have any problem with Windows…why switch?
Well, because Micro$oft can’t accept that people don’t want to use their garbage browser and desperately does everything like a crazy ex to get you back to use Micro$oft Edge. They also collect all of your data and sell it to whoever pays the most and. On a Windows system, you don’t control the computer, the computer controls you. And they don’t allow you to uninstall any of their spyware, if you uninstall Edge and perform a Windows update, guess what’s gonna be back on your computer. Microsoft Edge is like a virus, it does everything to prevent you from getting rid of it. Edge, Windows or any Microsoft product is just corporate data mining malware.
Linux is the exact opposite of that, it’s a tool meant to empower users to take back their freedom and take back the control over their computers. It allows you to do everything the way you want to, not the way a mega corporation wants you to do it. Data collection practically non-existent, just like corporate influence. You are the one in charge of your computer, you decide what it does, you decide which programs are installed and what services you choose what services you want to use. Linux gives you freedom, whereas Windows gives you ads for Candy Crush in your start menu and a browser thatbehaves likeis malware.Back then I tried probably 5 or 6 different Linux variants.
Linux from 15-20 years ago can’t be compared to modern Linux. Take another shot at it, try out modern distributions like Linux Mint or Fedora, I promise you, it’s much much better than in the 00s.
But…I don’t want to use Edge…so I don’t.
I really don’t give a shit about the data they might be collecting on me, since everyone else is too, and I have yet to see any horrible effects of that.
Windows does what I ask it to do, and I don’t feel that it’s forcing me to use it in ways I don’t want to. I primarily use my computer for surfing the Internet, watching YouTube, doing a bit of online shopping, and playing two games. I guess I don’t really see how switching to Linux could make my experience doing that better in any significant way…and certainly not to any degree that might justify educating myself in how to choose, download, install, set up, and use any of the different options.
My last go-round with Linux ended when I realized that I was just trying distro after distro (is that the right term?) basically looking for something that looked, sounded, and smelled like Windows, and eventually I realized that all I was doing was trying a bunch of shit that wasn’t Windows and trying to turn it into Windows. Everything felt like a crappy workaround, tasks that should’ve been simple and intuitive weren’t, and while, yes, Linux did seem to have an android program to anything I wanted to replace, in every case it just seemed like “Discount Store Syndrome”, where everything was the slightly worse knock off version of the real thing, only different for the sake of being “not Windows”.
I really don’t give a shit about the data they might be collecting on me, since everyone else is too, and I have yet to see any horrible effects of that.
To that I can only reply with the following quote: “Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” ― Edward Snowden (the guy who literally risked his life in order to inform the public about the fucked up shit that was and still is going on at the NSA, a real hero)
Give it a break. To the average user that’s like using a bazooka to hunt deer. I love Linux but Windows has its place for most people and will for many years to come.
The average user doesn’t need Windows.
The average user is too stupid to learn keyboard shortcuts that’d save them time at work
People learned windows, it’s what they know. Maybe we can train the next gen on Linux startig young, but unlikely given “we know windows tho” from parents
And yet those seem people often have no problem picking up and using a Chromebook.
People learned Chrome. What’s the difference? 80% of folks need to know where the browser button is and that’s about it. The other 20% are savvy enough to make the transition, I would think.
Nah, they’ll just not learn to use a PC.
As someone who loves Linux and has run it since the mid nineties, the average user doesn’t need Linux either. They just need something that works and is familiar and easy to use. As much as I hate to say it, my 70+ year old parents like windows, are comfortable with it and it just works for them. I value my and their time enough to not put them on Linux.
Making them learn linux at this point is counterproductive. I actually started teaching them Ubuntu a few years back. It worked for what they did then, but they’ve started branching out and need it to work easily for devices that only have Windows drivers and don’t work well under wine. I gave up and they’ve been happy ever since.
It’s important to realize that any OS is a tool, and using the right one for the job is always the best way to accomplish what needs to be done. I prefer Linux and MacOS, they prefer Windows.
Leave it to the Linux community to start a discussion about Linux under a post that isn’t at all related to Linux.
At home I use me personal pc dor 95% gaming via gamepass
Fix that then we can talk
That’s what Gamepass is for, keeping you on Microsofts playground. You aren’t installing PC games, they essentially provide you with Xbox games and an “emulator” that runs them. It won’t be fixed because it heards folks to Windows, as intended.
Gamepass games aren’t emulated. They’re installed and run natively just like anything else. Some of them are harder to mod than other platforms, but this is largely due to file permissions and ownership issues and the way some games are packaged/configured.
I don’t really like the service because I prefer not to rent my games monthly, but that just isn’t correct.
I’ll need to remember that they force developers to build xbox versions of Windows only games just for gamepass
Not sure why you’re getting shit on. Actually, I do know. Many people think everyone is as tech savvy as they are. It would blow many people’s minds they could install an operating system. Their computer comes with it like their iPhone comes with iOS. A lot of people just can’t figure things out for themselves. They can google it, but then will see a bunch of crazy commands to copy and paste. And there’s a good chance that if they do ask for some help. People will tell them their dumb and should be able to figure things out on their own and that linux is too much for them.
Also, this is from a guy who can use Linux at an average level.
And always will as long as people like you keep it that way
Thank you. I can use Linux. I don’t want to. Plenty of people are still computer illiterate and people forget that. My father uses excel on windows every day for his job, but couldn’t use a mac because he just knows his Windows. He got confused that the taskbar disappeared lol. Linux would blow his mind. Yes, if you’re training someone on the new OS it’d be no different, but so many people only know certain windows programs.
Also, audio SUCKS on Linux (speaking from running PipeWire and ALAX and Pulse). Try explaining to someone how to fix that mess.
Yeap. I’m a sysadmin, I work in a linux shop, we provide a linux desktop to our users.
And I use windows both at home and on my work machine, for sheer quality of life. I don’t have the time or energy to deal with the mediocre UX and gotchas of the linux desktop.
For actual computing tasks, I ssh into a linux box, from my nice comfy just-works windows environment. Between Windows Terminal, VcXsrv and SSHFS, I have all the integration I need for a seamless experience.
Use individual tools for what they’re best at, and play to their strengths.
Linux is perfect for the average user. Install KDE Neon or Kubuntu for them and they won’t know which is which. They will only notice that their computer has become faster. Corporate world and gaming is stil the only two areas Linux hasn’t (fully) surpassed Windows.
Is thirstily the right adverb? I thought that meant sexily
Thirsty works here. It means you really want it, not that anyone really wants you.
I imagine you just broke bernieecclestoned’s heart after having been called thirsty and misinterpreting it for years
Scumbagily would be better.
The way “thirsty” is normally used is not “sexily” but “desiring sex”. Like, the OnlyFans model isn’t thirsty (but she might try to appear to be for extra tips) but the guys who pay to watch her are thirsty.
Maybe the Verge was secretly giving MS a compliment?
Choco install chrome Scoop install chrome
Apt install chrome
Etc Etc Etc
This is the best summary I could come up with:
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Google Chrome download in Microsoft’s Edge web browser?
How many times will the company try to steer me away?
The pop-ups are nearly two years old, and the injected ads are from earlier this year.
I cannot believe how many stories we’ve written about the shit Microsoft has pulled to steer you away from Chrome.
Even today, the company still won’t always respect your choice of default browser, though that may finally be changing in the EU.
Sadly the poll doesn’t include an “I’m boycotting Edge because you don’t respect me as a user” option.
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