Maybe if they didn’t make the Mustang a goddamned SUV it wouldn’t torch itself trying to haul its fat ass around
Car manufacturers love the SUV/crossover format for EVs because they find it easier to fit the batteries in with the higher clearance.
There’s a reason why they’re all going for it, despite middling enthusiasm from buyers.
Utterly irrelevant blathering. It weighs roughly the same as any EV you want to name, and is more than TWO THOUSAND POUNDS LIGHTER than the EV Lightning.
But you know… don’t let facts get in the way of you car guy squealing about how the Mustang name is a precious thing and has never been used in any controversial manner ever.
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Maybe I just hate SUVs
This is the way.
A gallon of gas contains 33.7 kWh of energy.
ICE sedans get on average 31.7 miles per gallon, which is 0.94 miles per kWh.
Most electric SUVs get 3-4 miles per kWh depending on temperature and driving conditions. Electric sedans get 4-5 miles per kWh.
You may generally dislike SUVs, but those Electric SUVs are still a far cry better than the gas sedans you’re giving a pass.
Your mixing of miles and metric is triggering my FauxCD.
“fauxCD”
Stealing that. A big pet peeve of mine is the hijacking of the term “OCD” by almost everyone so they can use it incorrectly, and then people with an actual panic disorder aren’t taken seriously.
Should I give it in terms of inverse Newtons, squared seconds per kilogram-meter? That would be a proper SI reduction for ya :P
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ikr I’m angry but also happy they’re at least trying unlike most Americans
Don’t give me that much credit I’m just reading the units of measure the car gives me
Americans have actually been using metric for a long time. Well, their drug dealers have anyway.
Yes but they’re still as butt ugly as the rest of the SUVs they’re making. And they don’t handle well. And they’re fucking huge.
I have one of these and it is not an SUV at all. It is a hatchback that is a foot shorter than a Honda accord and only 7” taller.
So it’s a hatchback with a high CoG and poor handling?
Sounds like an SUV to me.
I’m not sure where you’re getting the poor handling or the high CoG from. It has a low CoG because the battery components are installed near the bottom and they make up a large percentage of the car’s weight.
It also handles quite well, mostly thanks to the low CoG. It feels firmly planted and is very nimble in turns. Sure, it’s not an e46 M3 but it would be crazy to expect that.
It also sounds to me like you don’t actually even know what an SUV is. I know it seems crazy but there’s no requirement to comment if you’re uninformed on a subject and aren’t capable of adding value to the discussion.
Looks like kinda like an suv, at least. Why did they make it so tall? what’s with the SUV-like shape?
lighter than a pickup truck? impressive engineering that must have taken
It’s around the same weight as an electric sedan, but don’t let facts get in the way of being a cunt.
2218 kg vs 1777 kg (Tesla 3) is a 25% increase, in addition to losses from higher air resistance from the fat body
I saw a YouTube video just yesterday claiming this was a M3 killer. lmao
Yeah, the BASE Model 3. Now compare it to an S Plaid.
Oh shit, that’s a similar weight because it’s a higher output battery and BATTERIES ARE FUCKING HEAVY.
Not that this is relevant. If you’d bother to read the person I was responding to he was shitting on the Mustang because it’s so heavy and “tears itself apart” while Ford’s own Lightning truck is significantly heavier and apparently does not have this issue, making the person I’m responding to a fucking idiot.
model 3 performance is faster than mach e with longer range, costs less, weighs the same as base model 3. I fail to see your point
That’s because you’re an idiot.
ITT: hoes mad.
Maybe I should scare them.
Speaking of irrelevant blathering…
Same weight as a tesla plaid with none of the proformance? Sounds like a all that is mostly dead SUV weight. Also the lightning is 20000 lbs lighter than the Tesla Semi! CHECKMATE!
This is hilarious. They obviously didn’t realize their target audience was drivers who don’t know how to handle a muscle car 😂
The newer mustangs are not muscle cars. They are suvs pretending to be muscle cars
All the bulk of an SUV without the ease of getting in and out.
Mustang just got a dad body
I have no idea why they called this entirely different car a mustang.
Because nostalgia sells cars to boomers.
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Sure, but the mach e had a 0 to 60 time that matches the mustang GT so comparing this relevant stat, it might as well be. Plus, they need even more power because it’s so heavy
And the Ford Focus RS had a 0-60 about the same as a Mustang, but I didn’t hear anyone wanting to pretend it was a muscle car or should be called a “Mustang 4-tech”…
What’s your point? The focus RS isn’t electric sooooo it’s not a part of this conversation about ford EVs and their design woes lmao
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What’s your point? The focus RS isn’t electric sooooo it’s not a part of this conversation about ford EVs and their design woes lmao
I was being sarcastic towards Ford whoring out the Mustang name on an SUV with apologists claiming that the performance made it a Mustang. Electric or not probably doesn’t even matter.
Sorry if I was too subtle.
You can retcon that all you want but you just don’t know how to read
Far from any overlap. Over 70% of buyers are first time Ford customers.
How do you fuck up your battery design by under-specing high voltage connections in an EV of all things?
JFC, Ford, can you try to sabotage the EV conversion more?
“Well you see, making those conductors undersized saved us $1 per unit, which allowed us to get the lower bid, and increase shareholder value at the time. Now, of course, is a different financial quarter and what we did before doesn’t matter.”
I guarantee there’s a spreadsheet at Ford that does the math on whether saving that $1 per unit is worth it considering the chance of a recall. Looks like their gamble didn’t pay off.
One step closer to fight club.
The battery is fine, problem is the isolation contactors in the HV electricity distribution junction box. Contactors overheat, most likely melting their electromagnet windings. No more electromagnet pulling the contactor closed, springs push it open, isolating the battery as designed for a fail safe condition, no more power. Though the fail conditions are supposed to be “control system is not happy, cuts pilot voltage to contactors”. Instead of the contactor itself being the failing part.
But hey still, atleast it’s not welding the contactor closed, that would be way worse.
So Ford didn’t know their mustang owners tend to drive a bit recklessly? The analogies here are plentiful. Smith & Wesson knowing their weapons are used in crimes… McDonald’s knowing their food will turn you fat…
If the gas pedal goes down X-inches, a mustang drive will press the pedal down X-inches +1
“Stick shift is better because when you push all three pedals to the floor, the car sounds real fast!”
- Mustang Drivers, probably
The mental image this creates is just fantastic. 😂
Why would they? It’s not a Mustang. It’s a hatchback EV with extra ground clearance to pretend it’s an SUV.
Over 70% of buyers are first time Ford customers. There isn’t much of any overlap in buyers between an actual Mustang and the Mach E.
Which begs the question, why the fuck did they sully the Mustang name on that POS?
I was just driving around my city to make some extra cash on uber, and there is too many mach e owners here who spin the tires from stop and around corners, accelerate to 90s on the bridges even the ones that go up vertically and curves, which takes a lot of power and tire grip to do. These men and women are worse than bmw, porsche or sports car owners.
I tried to get my wife to pick a Mach E over the Ioniq 5 and failed. The Ioniq 5 has its issues but now I’m getting like we dodged a bullet.
Buying a new model year of a new car has always been a massive risk. The risk of recall maintenance is pretty high.
My preference is 3-5 years old but my wife really REALLY wanted this car and it was the right price. She loves it.
FYI, when driving the Ioniq 5 in one-pedal mode, the brake lights don’t come on until the car is almost at a complete stop.
Supposedly the latest software update fixes that but we haven’t done the patch yet.
God damn it, it’s 2023 and basic functions of cars don’t work because of SOFTWARE bugs. I wanna cry.
Couldn’t charge our Ioniq 5 at home for a little over a month until they updated the software. And now it charges just slower, sucks. But my wife doesn’t drive that far so it’s working for us.
Try and find me a car that has never had any hardware bugs.
Actually, don’t, because you fucking can’t because such a thing doesn’t exist.
…when did I say anything about hardware bugs??? A car having wiring problems is tangible, and easily solved by myself or my mechanic.
But break lights (something that is literally needs to respond to physical pressure and requires no software to operate) not working because of lines of code, and can only be solved by whether or not a car manufacturer can be assed to fix it, is kind of wack.
Actually the brake lights work exactly as you describe.
The problem is that the car is able to slow down quickly without applying the brakes (common with EVs) and doesn’t engage the brake light when driving with that behavior (one pedal mode)
It isn’t actually required to engage the brake light, because the regulation states that the light needs to be illuminated when applying the physical brakes, not when slowing down.
This isn’t a software bug, it’s a design oversight, which can be fixed by changing the design, something that used to require a recall and physical change to the car.
By yourself… or a mechanic. You know, a trained and qualified professional that has access to the tools and materials necessary to fix a problem.
Kind of like how a programmer is a trained and qualified professional that has the tools and materials necessary to fix a problem, except that they’re directly employed by the maker of the product rather than a reseller of the product.
Not that any of that fucking matters, because the point is that BUGS ARE IN EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE, AT ALL TIMES and it’s just ignorant-ass to pretend like somehow cars aren’t the same way and, more importantly, haven’t ALWAYS been this way.
Bro you really think someone is a professional mechanic because they can fix their own car wiring or change their oil? Should I open a car repair shop because I replaced the stereo in my car by myself?
It does, they also released the update for the other E-GMP platform cars.
I don’t know what the second part means… Can you say more?
E-gmp is the shared EV platform for Kia and Hyundai. Various electric cars such as the Ioniq 5 & Kia ev6 are built on the ‘e-gmp’ platform which means that they share the wheelbase, chassis, battery, motor, etc etc.
Either that or the car comes wrapped in leather with a fucking ballgag idk. Could have picked a better name imo
🤣, yeah the name is terrible and made me thing of Ving in Pulp Fiction.
That’s not true at all. It was one of the first things we tested out when we got ours in January. You have to let off at a specific rate, essentially it was trying to replicate engine braking since that also does not result in your brake lights come on. A later software update has also made it come on earlier if you’re braking lighter.
Hyundai slaps ford these days. The ionic is a better car in every area.
I was looking at the Ioniq 5 but ultimately went for the ID.4
Man what do you people do for a living that you can drop this kind of money on a car?
Embedded systems engineering, for a couple decades, mostly high-salary locations.
Do you like it? Volkswagen makes that right? We see a lot of them at the chargers.
Yeah, it’s a VW. I really like it, not just because I got a premium trim and it’s the fanciest thing I’ve ever owned, but it drives just like an ICE car, and the important controls aren’t buried behind the touchscreen. Looking forward to this winter to see how it fares with lower temps and handles in the snow with AWD.
I drove an ID.3 for a year and was quite let down. Range estimation is always 25-30% over the real range, especially worse in winter. All controls were touch controls. Is this the same for the ID4?
Some controls are tactile, some are touch-based. Range estimation is always optimistic in every car no matter the fuel source, and I ignore it in lieu of my own mental calculations. I am looking forward to my first winter with the car.
I love my 2022. Wish there were an actual control for the wheel heater (added for 2024) but I’ve memorised the tap sequence to toggle it and have it set to turn on automatically, along with the seat heater, when it’s cold enough.
It’ll drive the same but have less range, like all EVs do. Batteries lose efficiency when they’re cold. Precondition the cabin before you unplug for the day, and that will help some.
I only plug in every few weeks when the battery hits 20%. Would plugging in nightly in the winter make a significant difference? Is there a specific temperature where the efficiency curve drops off?
What sold you over the ioniq 5? I’ve been looking at the new ID.7 and the Ioniq 5. The 400v battery architecture is the only thing really holding me back from 100% committing to the ID.7
VW had a special offer with the EV tax credit and offered me a generous trade-in value for my GTI.
Why does the battery voltage matter?
Higher battery voltage can charge faster and drive motors more efficiently (don’t quote me on that part). That’s why the Ioniq can do the really fast DC fast charging. For home charging it doesn’t really matter, but on long distance trips that’s less time spent charging.
I may be placing too much importance in that aspect since I have little experience with ev’s.
Ah, I understand now. Higher voltage means more power can be delivered at a lower current, with current being the limiting factor in cabling, so a faster fast charge is possible. If you foresee yourself always fast-charging and really needing those twelve minutes each time, that’s a valid concern. In my experience, the vast majority of charging occurs overnight at home, where time is not a limiting factor.
Aw, I was looking into the Ioniq 5 and decided to just wait and spend my extra cash on a different green thing (Hvac). It looks so… Interesting, was it worth the price tag?
I was feeling like I was getting strong armed into Tesla because of fed tax credit, too; hoping the choices open up a bit more…
My wife loves it, and you know happy wife and all. I like my car better but I’m not an SUV person.
Honestly i e yet to hear someone who owns an ioniq5 not love it.
I couldn’t pull the trigger on a trade. Not enough range and infrastructure, plus the rate of tech improvement is still pretty quick. I went with a plugin hybrid with the hopes that i can trade it in once evs get a bit more settled.
Which one did you get? Those are still better for the environment than a full EV which is probably why Toyota doesn’t offer a full EV yet.
My wife just hates getting gas, silly I know.
Toyota doesn’t have full EVs because they bet big on hydrogen a few years ago, which didn’t pay off and has left them scrambling to catch up. There’s no more logic to it than that.
I got the prius prime 2022 because I’m a small car guy. It’s good. The Rav4 has more range on it in electric mode, but the prius still gets ~52-58mpg in gas mode.
The one thing you gotta watch out for is the infotainment. I have the xle, which has this big beautiful screen, but only works with carplay. Yep, DOES NOT WORK WITH ANDROID AUTO. It’s insane. This is an aspect ratio thing, so might be fixed in the future? Not holding out hope for that though.
I do love the map thing, but man its so annoying not to be able to connect my phone with Google maps since their nav system is worse.
Oh that would drive my nuts! The 2015 version of my car is the same way but you could take the module from a 2016 though 2019 and put it in an earlier year and fix that.
It’s on my list to do but I haven’t yet. Maybe this winter when I can’t really drive my car I’ll do it.
And the Prius is a great car for that. A friend of ours is addicted to them, she’s on her third one I think. She wants the newest one with all the hash tags but she’s not willing to pay that much. Maybe when used ones become normal prices again?
Prices are crazy. Someone totaled my old car so i didn’t really have a choice. I am glad i got the 2022 and not the new version, that one looks like has way less trunk space and if rather do an ioniq than no trunk space prius.
Any big issues aside from the whole 12v battery dying thing?
We haven’t had that issue yet. We couldn’t charge the car at home because the port on the car got too hot. The fix was software the slowed down the charge which works for us because my wife doesn’t drive far but it still sucks.
My biggest complaint is no rear wiper, the rear glass gets so dirty so fast and we don’t go to gas stations with it to clean it. Next year’s model will have one. Otherwise it’s really nice in traffic, far easier than my manual car is.
I haven’t encountered that and they have a recall out for it so you can go get it fixed for free at your service center.
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To be fair, the people buying these crossovers are not the same people buying ICE Mustangs.
To give Mustang drivers some credit, at least they’re not Charger drivers.
The flaw does not exist in models 2022 and newer. Older models are getting fixed. From the pictures, the unit is directly attached to the battery right in the front. It should be trivial for mechanics to get to.
Yeah. The fix is simply to switch the contactors to beefier ones, which presumably they did for 2022 model already. Hence new model years aren’t affected.
Well switching out the junction box, since not like they are going to have repair mechanics muck in the junction box. Just ship the never model junction box with beefier contactors inside and switch out the whole box.
This is Elon’s fault and is why you shouldn’t buy a Tesla.
Is that some of that innovation Bill Ford was talking about the other day?
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If you bought this, you deserve this.
