Look this is different than pirating a game or bypassing a newspaper paywall. Watching content on YouTube simply costs money to YouTube. It’s not like torrenting a game or movie, where while you haven’t paid for the content, it didn’t cost anything to the owner other than theoretical revenue. And it’s not like bypassing a newspaper paywall, either, where the cost to the newspaper to serve you the story is practically negligible and the real costs are fixed and not related to how many people actually read the story.
Hosting video costs money and nobody can replace YouTube’s massive library or realistically replicate their business model. I mean just look at image/gif hosting sites, they constantly go bust like Photobucket because storing everyone’s pictures forever and for free isn’t not a real business model.
YouTube needs to be paid for its gonna go the way of Photobucket.
Google has billions. YouTube pirates (can we call ourselves that yet?) are not going to bankrupt Google. In fact, Alphabet is spending more on their crackdown for sake of principle.
But Google is beholden to its shareholders, whose interests are diametrically opposed to that of the general public, so any gain by Google is a loss to the rest of us.
So any profit we can deny the Google machine remains instead in the economy, rather than vaulted in offshore accounts or used to further lock down the empires of the shareholders.
The day I can’t watch YouTube sans commercials is the day I quit watching YouTube. And then it will get absolute-zero engagement from me.
So bring it. I do not need YouTube, and it needs viewers like me.
Good luck trying to talk about this with any amount of reason.
I’m a pirate, I understand what I’m doing is defrauding the tos of a mega corporation. I UNDERSTAND that and IM DOING IT ON PURPOSE.
But it seems like most of the people here are just going to hurl insults at you and call you a shill because you laid it out as “this cost money and the business needs money to even do it”. This is how “free” services have always worked. They aren’t a fucking charity.
I don’t like ads so I do everything in my power to not see ads. Once they kill ReVanced and they start banned Google accounts, I’ll just stop using YouTube unless I have a specific tutorial need.
YouTube doesn’t need to get paid (by the users watching their ads) they get paid through you, the actual product. What you watch what you click on what you search for, these are ALL monitizable. You think Google is protecting your data instead of selling it lmao
Furthermore how much is enough? They gonna keep adding more and more unskipable ads more pre/mid/post rolls, b-b-but the multi fucking billion dollar corpo needs to get pAiD!!!
Go where? The only companies that can afford to do unlimited video forever for everyone are the likes of Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. Meta tried to steal VOD watchers from YouTube years ago, they failed. Amazon tried to get into VOD via Twitch, they gave up. Microsoft tried to come after Twitch with Mixer, they failed. Moreover, a lot of the things we hate about youtube like poor content moderation, the copyright system, demonetization, etc arent youtubes fault. The broken copyright system is just a result of what copyright law is, it’d probably be worse on a different site since they wouldn’t have the special agreement YouTube has with major copyright holders to serve as an intermediary. Instead of content strikes, or an ad revenue claim, that youtube has the special power to do, you’d just default to DMCA takedowns for everything immediately. And yeah content moderation and demonetization is bad but Youtube never wanted to do this right? They were happily showing ads on ISIS videos, its advertisers that forced them, which is how we ended up with a system that randomly pulls ads from videos if there is a hint of something an ad agency would object too. I mean it’s either this or advertisers don’t advertise at all, which fucks everyone, instead of a few people.
If you love watching ads so much go watch them. That’s the same boomer mentality that keeps cable alive to this day. I don’t care, I will never watch ads
You said creators will go elsewhere, which implies you know there are alternatives. Just wondering if you had anything in mind, or if you just kinda kicked that can down the road.
PeerTube, since if creators are large, then their videos being watched by so many people, cause lots of peers to load balance the video and not destroy the server.
It came to them in a form of a Raid Shadow Legends ad, on their knees they swore to pay YouTube, but they still watch ads each Sabbath to cleanse themselves.
Maybe it’s because I am blind and so my point is a little bit different. But personally, I have never understood having much video over about 1080p, especially on a phone and possibly even 720p. Peertube and 720p would work great. Each creator could set up their own instance or pay someone to set it up for them, and if they ever blew up and got seriously big, the amount of people watching their videos would send to their peers and load balance across them so the server wasn’t totally overwhelmed.
Look this is different than pirating a game or bypassing a newspaper paywall. Watching content on YouTube simply costs money to YouTube. It’s not like torrenting a game or movie, where while you haven’t paid for the content, it didn’t cost anything to the owner other than theoretical revenue. And it’s not like bypassing a newspaper paywall, either, where the cost to the newspaper to serve you the story is practically negligible and the real costs are fixed and not related to how many people actually read the story.
Hosting video costs money and nobody can replace YouTube’s massive library or realistically replicate their business model. I mean just look at image/gif hosting sites, they constantly go bust like Photobucket because storing everyone’s pictures forever and for free isn’t not a real business model.
YouTube needs to be paid for its gonna go the way of Photobucket.
Google has billions. YouTube pirates (can we call ourselves that yet?) are not going to bankrupt Google. In fact, Alphabet is spending more on their crackdown for sake of principle.
But Google is beholden to its shareholders, whose interests are diametrically opposed to that of the general public, so any gain by Google is a loss to the rest of us.
So any profit we can deny the Google machine remains instead in the economy, rather than vaulted in offshore accounts or used to further lock down the empires of the shareholders.
The day I can’t watch YouTube sans commercials is the day I quit watching YouTube. And then it will get absolute-zero engagement from me.
So bring it. I do not need YouTube, and it needs viewers like me.
Good luck trying to talk about this with any amount of reason.
I’m a pirate, I understand what I’m doing is defrauding the tos of a mega corporation. I UNDERSTAND that and IM DOING IT ON PURPOSE.
But it seems like most of the people here are just going to hurl insults at you and call you a shill because you laid it out as “this cost money and the business needs money to even do it”. This is how “free” services have always worked. They aren’t a fucking charity.
I don’t like ads so I do everything in my power to not see ads. Once they kill ReVanced and they start banned Google accounts, I’ll just stop using YouTube unless I have a specific tutorial need.
Corpo shill alert
YouTube doesn’t need to get paid (by the users watching their ads) they get paid through you, the actual product. What you watch what you click on what you search for, these are ALL monitizable. You think Google is protecting your data instead of selling it lmao
Furthermore how much is enough? They gonna keep adding more and more unskipable ads more pre/mid/post rolls, b-b-but the multi fucking billion dollar corpo needs to get pAiD!!!
Grow up
Só your solution is instead of charging the viewer charge who? The person that puts videos up?
Do you really think your anonymized user data is worth the 20 bucks/user the YouTube premium costs?
In your mind YouTube can just sell the data for the 2 billion users they have and instantly make 40 billion dollars a month from that?
If the data isn’t worth it, why are these cunts stealing it?
Worth something, not 20 bucks per user per month.
The data is only useful because they can use it to run ads
They’re “stealing” the data if they hacked another platform and got a hold of the data there.
You are literally using their website. You are giving them your data.
You want to stop them from “stealing” your data, stop using their services.
Does that boot taste good or something?
Let it die. Creators will go elsewhere. We need to shake up the ancien regime a bit
Go where? The only companies that can afford to do unlimited video forever for everyone are the likes of Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. Meta tried to steal VOD watchers from YouTube years ago, they failed. Amazon tried to get into VOD via Twitch, they gave up. Microsoft tried to come after Twitch with Mixer, they failed. Moreover, a lot of the things we hate about youtube like poor content moderation, the copyright system, demonetization, etc arent youtubes fault. The broken copyright system is just a result of what copyright law is, it’d probably be worse on a different site since they wouldn’t have the special agreement YouTube has with major copyright holders to serve as an intermediary. Instead of content strikes, or an ad revenue claim, that youtube has the special power to do, you’d just default to DMCA takedowns for everything immediately. And yeah content moderation and demonetization is bad but Youtube never wanted to do this right? They were happily showing ads on ISIS videos, its advertisers that forced them, which is how we ended up with a system that randomly pulls ads from videos if there is a hint of something an ad agency would object too. I mean it’s either this or advertisers don’t advertise at all, which fucks everyone, instead of a few people.
If you love watching ads so much go watch them. That’s the same boomer mentality that keeps cable alive to this day. I don’t care, I will never watch ads
So uhhh where will content creators go, you still haven’t answered the question.
Im not a content creator, why don’t you ask one?
You said creators will go elsewhere, which implies you know there are alternatives. Just wondering if you had anything in mind, or if you just kinda kicked that can down the road.
PeerTube, since if creators are large, then their videos being watched by so many people, cause lots of peers to load balance the video and not destroy the server.
I love peertube as a technology, I’m not 100% sure it will be a replacement for YouTube - in addition to volunteer content moderating, this comment captures my worries about attracting content creators - basically it seems difficult to get paid.
EDIT: and for folks who think a donation button will suffice, you have people like this who give me serious doubt.
We got videos before YouTube, it’s fine. There are plenty competitors out there.
Peertube, twitch, hell archive.org has a video platform. And there are systems like Odyssey that already pay their creators.
And are you going to pay to host the petabytes of 4K content? Or are you going to expect other people to pay that when these creators jump ship?
What kind of moron is distributing 4k content when 1080p with high bitrate is already overkill?
What 💀 1080p looks like garbage on a 4K TV.
High bit rate 1080 is actually more data than most 4k streams. Besides, I can absolutely tell the difference on my computer monitor.
Get your eyes checked.
You may want to if you can’t see a difference.
Yeah I’m not paying for that shit. I’ll let others pick up the cost not even gonna lie
Ok. Just sit on Lemmy and complain, then. Very helpful.
I’m not trying to help, and who the hell ordained you to be the champion of this noble cause of being a paypig?
It came to them in a form of a Raid Shadow Legends ad, on their knees they swore to pay YouTube, but they still watch ads each Sabbath to cleanse themselves.
In the name of Pewdiepie, Mr Beast, and SSSniperwolf, Amen
Maybe it’s because I am blind and so my point is a little bit different. But personally, I have never understood having much video over about 1080p, especially on a phone and possibly even 720p. Peertube and 720p would work great. Each creator could set up their own instance or pay someone to set it up for them, and if they ever blew up and got seriously big, the amount of people watching their videos would send to their peers and load balance across them so the server wasn’t totally overwhelmed.
Everything has to be free; I won’t pay a dime. If anyone tries to make money (aka any business), they are evil.
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Google would never give up on a project!