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    Really makes you think about why Hamas is so radicalized, doesn’t it? It’s not like you can pull a Muslim out of a hat and radicalize them. People in a stable, healthy, and fair socioeconomic position do not see violence as an answer. People who live under constant oppression, inequality, and fear do.

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      And the irony is that Israel allowed Hamas to be funded by Arabic countries 25 years ago when it was a way to weaken Arafat and the PLO. Everything in this area is fucked beyond parody. No authority on either side has any idea about morality.

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        The same parallels with how the US funded what would later become Al Qaeda to fuck with the Soviets. Then they did 9/11.

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        Netanyahu actually said something very similar, that the best way to destabilise the Palestinian Authority was to finance Hamas.

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      People who live under constant oppression, inequality, and fear do.

      Having a religion that claims that you’re the greatest people on this planet helps.

      edit You guys think that it doesn’t help, or that Abrahamic religions aren’t saying that? Help me understand.

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          A remarkably small amount of people on this planet think they should be, no, make that deserve to be living in the area where biblical / quranic time people lived. But yeah, the amount of people who think they’re the greatest people is probably much more than just half.

          Even I may have been known to make that mistake every now and other second.

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        They arent justifying hamas, they are highlighting how israel actively created the environment that gave hamas the capability to do this.

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          I’ve seen non-stop justification of Hamas in these threads. “Terrorism is inexcusable, BUT” and then they explain why they are excusing it.

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            Maybe you need better reading comp lessons?

            Those “buts” are because while hamas is at fault, they are not the only ones at fault. Without that but, israel would be posed as the sad victim. They are equally guilty of this terror attack.

            They created hamas. The only victims here are the festival goers, and the palestinian civilians that israel will kill using hamas as a justification.

            Hamas isnt being excused. Its being contexualized.

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        Say that to Israel. The average age of the population in Gaza is 18. Unless there was a population boom of unprecedented proportions 18 years ago. (There wasn’t) Something seriously wrong is going on.

        I don’t support Hamas’s attack. But Israel isn’t the victim. The people of Palestine and even Israel are the victims. And ultimately, the government of Israel is the aggressor. They could stop this. But they don’t. They just make excuses and dehumanize the Palestinians. Then act surprised when they get the response they want.

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          The average age of the population in Gaza is 18.

          Of note: The blockade of Gaza is going on for a good 16 years, now. About half of Gazans grew up under that regime and they’re just about reaching fighting age now, already having gone through “what might I possibly be in the future” age and, well, there’s not exactly many options are there.

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            Exactly. Regardless of who started this. At some point someone’s going to have to be the bigger person. And unfortunately that can literally only be israel. And they are absolutely refusing. No matter how good or bad people in guys that are Palestinians in general behave. They are just counted phones to Israel and many other Middle Eastern powers.

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            No. They really don’t. It’s pretty fucked up what Hamas just did. But it didn’t come from a vacuum. Those people and their families have lived there for centuries. Before a bunch of Western powers came in occupied, and then decided to kick them out of their own territories. Off their own lands. Give it to people who hadn’t been there in living memory at the very best. Violence begets violence and it’s been that way ever since the start of this situation. Unfortunately however. Israel is going to have to be the bigger person here. Because they’re not the ones trapped in a blockade of Israel’s design with the help of other Middle Eastern Nations.

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        Source BBC News on the hostage situation “The focus appears to be on a swap involving women and children - including Israelis and other nationals - in an exchange for Palestinian women and children in Israeli jails.”

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        This is the second thread I’ve seen today with your awful takes. Probably worth a block, but I don’t believe in it. Just know that you’re super fucking wrong.