• dx1@lemmy.world
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    This thread was about whether or not it’s “fair or accurate” to call them “genocidal”. The word, “literally” taken down to its roots, does mean “geno” (people) “cide” (killing), but actual definitions in use are more nuanced. From the UN “Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide”, for instance:

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;

    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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      The UN’s historically been an apologist for atrocities whenever the power benefits afford the defense of the reprehensible. Pulling out a UN Convention definition when politically convenient is a disgrace, much like the UN’s history of confronting atrocities for the past 40 years.

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        That’s basically an ad hominem. That’s a commonly accepted definition, address the content specifically if you have an issue with it.

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        That wasn’t my point either way - but, as a group, as a government, they plainly are.

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          They literally are not. What you’re missing is that shooting someone in combat scenarios is not “killing members of the group/causing serious bodily/mental harm to members of the group” as genocide is defined. Murdering them wholesale is. Intentionally starving them, as with the Holodomor, is.

          None of the rest is even arguably happening at all. There is no way to construe their relationship as genocidal.

          The reason why is right there in the opening: with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group

          Are Israel’s policies discriminatory? Yes. Oppressive? Hell yes. Poorly conceived, authoritarian bullshit? I’m right there with you. Genocide? No.

          Things can be wrong and need changing without being literally the worst thing.

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            Intentionally starving them

            None of the rest is even arguably happening

            they literally said they’re cutting off food.

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              No, they’re blockading food imports. By forming an absolute blockade, they prevent/significantly reduce weapons and personnel trafficking.

              If civilians start starving en masse, you will absolutely see international calls of genocide.i will be among the first to the podium on that one.

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                you will absolutely see international calls of genocide.

                we already are, and you’re saying it’s a lie. i have no reason to think you’ll ever change your tune.

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            What you’re missing is that shooting someone in combat scenarios

            this same reasoning would mean the nazis were justified in violently suppressing ghetto uprisings.