The endless battle to banish the world’s most notorious stalker website::undefined

  • jet@hackertalks.com
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    1 year ago

    To those down voting, you have to decide if the internet is a human right or not. If it is, it must be for everyone, or it is for no one. As soon as we make exceptions to basic rights, those rights get eroded for everyone. Because people in power will bend the exceptions to political expediency.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access

    • wahming@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      I believe in the tolerance social contract. You deserve rights so long as you respect the rights of others. Kiwi farms has absolutely no respect for anybody’s rights, and hence does not deserve any themselves.

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        I agree with you in principle. My only concern is who is judging, and making the decision that someone doesn’t have any rights. If it’s private companies? That’s going to be very bad for all of us.

        Imagine a small town power company turning off the power to a small town newspaper because they said something mean about their cousin the sheriff.

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          Hear hear. Obviously this site should be shut down. But it should be done so on basis of fair trial. Not because of mob justice, or corporations that answer only to shareholders.

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          Right now, this is analogous to having an active shooter walking around gunning down people, and a random person safely elsewhere saying ‘Don’t shoot him, he has rights!’. No, people are actively suffering and dying. Fix the emergency first, then consider the ramifications.

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            Right now, this is analogous to having an active shooter walking around gunning down people, and a random person safely elsewhere saying ‘Don’t shoot him, he has rights!’. No, people are actively suffering and dying. Fix the emergency first, then consider the ramifications.

            The problem is that the ramifications are clear as day and imminent. Other parties have been calling for ISP blocks for the longest time.

            Using your analogy, the active shooter is walking around holding a dead-man’s switch connected to bombs in a few other areas. People like you are saying “it doesn’t matter that bombs are going to explode, just shoot him!”

          • PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world
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            It’s more like there’s an active shooter, and we know any violent techniques we use to stop him will immediately be seen by the right as fair game tactics against us in any context, and used against us in perpetuity.

          • Cheers@sh.itjust.works
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            Sort of. Corps have become bloated with power and this would just be another notch on the belt, however, if there’s an active shooter, it’s the police’s job to take care of it, not local businesses.

            This should also be a government role to send people like this to trial. We already live in a surveillance state, use it to stop shit heads at least.

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            The right will make pleas that sound equally dangerous to the average fool. It’d be easy enough for them to try to get the very sites that exist to support trans kids and say “we need to shut these down because they’re harming/multilating kids,” like they always say. And then a sympathetic judge shuts them down, I hope you’re happy with the kids you saved now, because there will be so many you can’t.

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        You deserve rights so long as you respect the rights of others

        This is the best approach and one had has far wider application beyond just the internet

      • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works
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        It’s the paradox of tolerance.

        “A truly tolerant society cannot be tolerant of intolerance.”

        Not, “A truly intolerant society cannot be intolerant of tolerance.”

      • jet@hackertalks.com
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        If the government can’t do anything about it, why should we empower corporations too? It seems the solution to your scenario would be a more elegant legal system that the government could use to go after people conspiring to commit murder. Which I’m pretty sure are two major crimes already.

        But that’s moot. If you agree that access to communication and the internet is a basic human right, then somebody who is not been legally sequestered, should have access to their basic human right.

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        You do realise the trans communities will be affected by this too? This isn’t some magic wand that only the good guys can use, republicans will be using it to ban LGBT information and support networks as soon as they can, they’ll wave that think of the children flag and it’ll be too late.

              • jet@hackertalks.com
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                1 year ago

                Just because a group of people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they hate you. To use language accusing them of hating you, not accusing I’m sorry, asserting that they hate you just puts barriers up and prevents us from coming to a workable solution.

                If we’re evil hate mongers why are you even talking to us?

              • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
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                Ha, are you calling me a transphobic right-winger? That really is funny.

                What exactly are you claiming kiwifarms is doing?