This will go down in flames.
You remember that first amendment thing we used to have here?
Yeah… neither does our government
America can’t be taken seriously anymore.
It’s a good thing Russia gave half of a wakeup call to the rest of the free world to arm the fuck up 3 years ago. We know America can’t be relied on for anything anymore.
The bill got pulled!
For now. Let’s see what happens when it’s budget time again. They’ll probably bury it in there because we live in hell.
Good. Holy 💩
How do you enforce anti boycott, how do you force someone to spend their money?
Dont get me wrong Ill know they will try again, but wow.
If you’re an American paying taxes you can’t boycott Israel. It doesn’t even need to be a law.
Seems like they’re trying to turn boycott in to a dirty word.
Yes yes I know where my tax dollars go, thank you. Well, ok actually not entirely, but yes to fund the irl fucking evil empire.
But boycotts make me think of private citzens not buying a product, or from a store or provider, etc.
Nazi America
Brought to you by millions of fascist fucks, including your own family and friends.
Buy a gun.
Any government that tells you what you can complain about
Is by definition a Totalerian government
Worse than that - they’re trying to tell us what we can spend our money on.
Which according to the horse shit Citizens United ruling is free speech for corporations. But not the people in em I guess.
how this reminds me russia…
Isn’t there already an anti boycott law on the books?
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Hey big shoutout to all the Redditors and Lemmy guys who told me that we can have no restrictions on free speech because if we restrict Nazis they will restrict us if they ever gain power.
Welp, here ya go…like I told you…and many of you blocked and/or banned me for saying it. Ironic.
The bill got pulled. And even if it didn’t it’s such a blatant and egregious violation of 1A that even Trump’s pet judges would have to shoot it down out of fear of the precedent it would set and what would happen if ever they lose power for any length of time.
That’s the conversation I’ve been having with some people cheering on Trump’s immigration moves. I’ve pointed out the machine the individual bricks seems to be building, and when they support that too because Trump will only use it on the “right sort of people” I point out that Trump won’t be in power forever, and ask him what he’d think if someone like Harris or AOC had that same power. That’s when they suddenly get it, because the idea that the same machinery could be brought against them is not something they consider.
The first question you should ask when considering “Should the government have this power?” is “If the people I oppose the very most had this power, what would they do with it?” If you’re not OK with the answer to that, then the government shouldn’t have that power.
5 bucks says the people who told you that were, in fact, nazis
Hard to say. They mostly seemed like college liberals still living at home
been my experience that that people saying “We have to protect the nazis” are either nazis, or nazis pretending to be their idea of librul to infiltrate,
I have a relevant cartoon that I cant post for some reason…will try again…
[(https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c4568c91-00a0-4bb2-b67e-f32dce46183b.jpeg)]
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You’ll never easily get through to those people. They hold idealism over material reality in many cases.
The best way I’ve found to get even some of them to at least stop and think for a minute is to ask if preventing people from doing things like:
- Screaming slurs next to a preschool
- Publishing deliberately false information to ruin someone’s reputation
- Doxxing someone who was mean to you
…is justified. If they say yes, then maybe unlimited free speech isn’t perfect, and restricting Nazis could be justified. If they say no, then you’ll know they’re a lost cause.
Is the problem the speech or the people tbat speak it?
Great question. Intention matters, so many countries focus on speech that can only be malicious, like incitement to violence in the UK or Nazi salutes in Germany.
People ready and willing to spread violent, harmful hate can be dealt with via the laws they violate. Assult, battey, stalking, theft, etc.
The subtle side is, as always, if your speech cannot persuade the (large) majority that the opposition speech is wrong, then to dismiss the opposition is to become the oppressing minority.
i felt like the trolls on reddits are just RU stoking anger and division.
If you make the 1st Amendment illegal, the rest of the Constitution cannot be far behind.
if? people have already been blackbagged for their speech. this is just encoding something already in effect.
How tf can u ban a boycott, how is that even possible let alone provable 🤦 Politics aside if I js don’t like a brand that endorses or has ties to Israel would I then be subject to charges. How u trynna force people to buy from certain companies, what if I was bruk, would I be breaking the law? 🤡
Excuse me I saw you drinking flat water where is your soda stream ice this one get this one
This will probably be used to target protestors and organizers of political movements.
Yeah, the boycott itself can’t reasonably be prosecuted. But it can be used to suppress discussion (e.g. organization, coordination) of said boycott.
it will probably use to target protestors, and groups criticial of israel.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Yeah trump and maga have been wiping their ass with that document for a while. I don’t think it’s a thing anymore
And the USSC has definitely ruled that money is equivalent to speech. So boycott activity is logically covered under this Amendment.
If this law passes, a lot of people are going to have a rough year or two until they can get a case all the way to the Supreme Court.
if this law passes
First of all, a law has already passed. This is just a bill
Second, it hasn’t even made it to committee, let alone to a vote. But you can (assuming you are an American) Contact your representative and tell them what you think about this bill.
It will be too late by then the damage will have been done
Because republicans care so much about laws they don’t agree with.
Or parts of the religions they thump on about.
Is that legal? It doesn’t sound legal. I’m sure they could make it illegal for US government agencies to boycott Israel because that’s at least partially a foreign policy decision, but private businesses? What are they gonna do, force you to buy Israeli goods?
narrator: it didn’t sound legal because it wasn’t.
