You didn’t answer the question. The genocide must stop, how do you envision stopping it? If you denounce every actual, practical solution without offering any other option, then how is your position meaningfully different from just outright supporting it?
That same line about how “they’d be even worse than us if they ever got power,” has been used by virtually every colonialist project on earth. It’s wild to watch an old school, 1800’s style colonial project playing out in 2025 and to see all the same rhetoric being used, it’s like getting in a time machine.
Christ. Well then thank god you weren’t president back then or we’d all be speaking German, and we wouldn’t be discussing Israel because all the Jews would be dead.
What the hell is wrong with liberals? Do you just enjoy losing?
Ah yes, the famous tankie, Comrade Winston Churchill.
Jesus fucking christ. We’ve finally reached the point where supporting the Allied war effort in WWII makes you a “tankie.” I guess that was always the logical endpoint for you moderate fascists.
I asked for an answer, not Hasbara propaganda and genocide apologia.
Every claim Israel makes about Palestine is lies and projection. It’s the IDF that uses human shields, not Hamas. It’s the IDF that levels cities and shells hospitals, including those run by the UN. The IDF is a terrorist organization.
Yes, the “war” would stop if Hamas surrendered, because then it would become even more of a one-sided slaughter, although the killing wouldn’t even end when every Palestinian was dead because Israel also goes Lebensraum on neighbors like Syria and Lebanon. Israel is a blatantly expansionist apartheid state and the only way lasting peace will be achieved is when the system of apartheid is ended and Palestinians are given full and equal rights and the colonizer ethnostate goes the way of similar states like apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
In the mean time, the terrorist rogue state of Israel cannot be reasoned with but can potentially be kept in check through force, the only language it understands.
It’s a bit rude to just respond to someone with an empty accusation, isn’t it? I’m sure you can come up with a better response and is useful to read and shows your point.
What’s strange about it? “The poor should be fed, but I oppose every practical solution to feeding them” is effectively the same as saying “The poor should not be fed.” The only difference is rhetorical. Likewise, “I don’t support the genocide, but I oppose every practical solution to ending it,” is effectively the same as saying, “I support the genocide.”
I guess it’s strange if you think words and rhetoric matter more than physical reality.
Yes, I do indeed consider distruption of trade routes a practical solution, because it is. How do you propose to force Israel and the US to the negotiating table? Asking nicely?
Except my solution is not to exterminate Israel. Fighting genocide by supporting a different group of genocidal maniacs is lunacy. Hamas is bad. Israel is bad. I can’t even say who is worse, morally. Israel just happens to have greater capacity for inflicting their evil right now.
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You didn’t answer the question. The genocide must stop, how do you envision stopping it? If you denounce every actual, practical solution without offering any other option, then how is your position meaningfully different from just outright supporting it?
That same line about how “they’d be even worse than us if they ever got power,” has been used by virtually every colonialist project on earth. It’s wild to watch an old school, 1800’s style colonial project playing out in 2025 and to see all the same rhetoric being used, it’s like getting in a time machine.
I don’t have an answer. I just know supporting Islamists is not the answer.
You in 1940: “I don’t know how we can stop the Nazis, I just know supporting Stalinists is not the answer.”
I mean…yeah. Those fuckers were as bad as the Nazis. Fuck Stalin, he’s a genocidal monster too, he just happened to be on the winning side.
Christ. Well then thank god you weren’t president back then or we’d all be speaking German, and we wouldn’t be discussing Israel because all the Jews would be dead.
What the hell is wrong with liberals? Do you just enjoy losing?
There it is. Tankie moment.
Ah yes, the famous tankie, Comrade Winston Churchill.
Jesus fucking christ. We’ve finally reached the point where supporting the Allied war effort in WWII makes you a “tankie.” I guess that was always the logical endpoint for you moderate fascists.
This man is your FRIEND. He fights for FREEDOM.
We don’t owe you an answer to that question.
Yeah, you kinda fucking do, actually, unless you’re fine with the genocide continuing.
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I asked for an answer, not Hasbara propaganda and genocide apologia.
Every claim Israel makes about Palestine is lies and projection. It’s the IDF that uses human shields, not Hamas. It’s the IDF that levels cities and shells hospitals, including those run by the UN. The IDF is a terrorist organization.
Yes, the “war” would stop if Hamas surrendered, because then it would become even more of a one-sided slaughter, although the killing wouldn’t even end when every Palestinian was dead because Israel also goes Lebensraum on neighbors like Syria and Lebanon. Israel is a blatantly expansionist apartheid state and the only way lasting peace will be achieved is when the system of apartheid is ended and Palestinians are given full and equal rights and the colonizer ethnostate goes the way of similar states like apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
In the mean time, the terrorist rogue state of Israel cannot be reasoned with but can potentially be kept in check through force, the only language it understands.
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It’s a bit rude to just respond to someone with an empty accusation, isn’t it? I’m sure you can come up with a better response and is useful to read and shows your point.
That is a very strange line of reasoning.
What’s strange about it? “The poor should be fed, but I oppose every practical solution to feeding them” is effectively the same as saying “The poor should not be fed.” The only difference is rhetorical. Likewise, “I don’t support the genocide, but I oppose every practical solution to ending it,” is effectively the same as saying, “I support the genocide.”
I guess it’s strange if you think words and rhetoric matter more than physical reality.
And you consider killing sailors who may not even know their ship is Israeli owned is a “practical solution”?
Yes, I do indeed consider distruption of trade routes a practical solution, because it is. How do you propose to force Israel and the US to the negotiating table? Asking nicely?
That’s an ML take if ever I saw one.
yes. even in your stupid fucking bullshit strawman can you come up with a more heinous event than killing 53 civilians like the US just did.
Exactly what nazis would say if asked about why they tried to exterminate the jews.
Good god you’re broken beyond repair.
Except my solution is not to exterminate Israel. Fighting genocide by supporting a different group of genocidal maniacs is lunacy. Hamas is bad. Israel is bad. I can’t even say who is worse, morally. Israel just happens to have greater capacity for inflicting their evil right now.
Sometimes, there are no good guys.
wow you are a nazi
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi” is not only a dumb argument, it’s a boring argument.