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    Either you don’t understand California elections and their primary process or maybe you just missed this one. Or maybe, it’s something else…

    This cynical dismissal of history is why the Democratic party struggles as hard as they do. It’s deeply damaging to their ability to actually win elections across the board. Not addressing their failures, not addressing and showing up where they failed previously, and creating the narrative structure where Democratic failures can be dismissed: if you want to keep losing, keep doing these things.

    Anyways, here’s the article on Schiff ratfucking. It went further than this but it gets one started: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/adam-schiffs-brazenly-cynical-campaign-strategy-boosts-a-republican/

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      Schiff’s strategy is savvy but cynical. And it’s worked before. In 2012, when Missouri Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill was facing a tough reelection race, she started running ads before the GOP Senate primary that played up controversial US Representative Todd Akin. With an assist from McCaskill, Akin won the primary. Her scheme paid off when he infamously suggested that women who were victims of “legitimate rape” rarely get pregnant, and she easily dispatched him in November.

      I mean this is just politics, Trump and his campaign boosted Bernie in 2016 and 2020 because Trump knew he could wipe the floor with him.

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        There is no indication that Trump thought he could “wipe the floor” with Bernie. In fact, it was likely the opposite. The polling certainly didn’t agree, for whatever that’s worth. Even if he did think that, there is no indication that he would have been right. It’s funny how Trump is an evil genius when the Democrats want him to be that, and a raging moron when they want that.

        Once Bernie was put up against Trump rhetorically, Bernie’s lead would have grown substantially. Bernie talks to a huge segment of America that most Democrats talk past. Most Democrats don’t even get heard because they have nothing worthwhile to say.

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          Bernie couldn’t even a primary but there’s a whole delusional section of the population who think he had a chance to be president.

          America has been poisoning the well against anyone considering a commie or socialist for a hundred years it’s not going to change any time soon.

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            Bernie couldn’t even a primary but there’s a whole delusional section of the population who think he had a chance to be president.

            You mean like Harris? Bernie, and everyone else, blew her out of the water in 2020. Maybe the Democratic establishment should have been taking your advice.

            The well has also been poisoned against fascism, Russia, “coastal elites”, and rapists/pedophiles. Trump still won. Maybe you’ve lost the plot somewhere.

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                Biden won in a primary where the dnc refused to fund any other candidates and was only participated in by people that admitted they didn’t want the position.

                There was no second primary.

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                  Let us also not forget the manner in which the media claimed that Biden had “run away with it” after super Tuesday, the day in which southern states, which will never turn blue, get to decide the winner of the Democratic primary.

                  And that prior to Super Tuesday, Biden had basically floundered in every state other than SC.

                  And that on the Sunday/ weekend before Super Tuesday, we saw the mass dropping out of basically all candidates aside from Bernie, Warren, and Biden.

                  And that Warren stayed in the race instead of basically already having had lost, which prevented the consolidation of the progressive bloc.

                  We’ve lost the time and space for the kinds of fantasy that people like SMCF would have us engage in.

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                I refuse to acknowledge a primary that I’ll bet 90% of the country didn’t know happened. They checked the box, but it was an irrelevant exercise.

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                    I believe it was you who was talking about primaries, of which I pointed out that Harris never won any - even the one I “don’t like”. She participated in exactly one primary and had her ass handed to her.

                    Your argument was that Bernie obviously can’t win a general because he couldn’t win a primary. Do you, or do you not, apply that same logic to Harris, and did you oppose her nomination in 2024? Your argument is ridiculous in either case, but you could at least apply it consistently.

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        That didn’t happen.

        And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.

        And if it was, that’s not a big deal. 👈

        And if it is, that’s not my fault.

        And if it was, I didn’t mean it.

        And if I did, you deserved it.

        Thanks for letting us know where we are in the process