Because leftists usually defend human rights, and the authoritarian regimes defended by some people on Hexbear (but also lemmygrad and ml) tend to attack those human rights when they are in the way of their ideology (not unlike the far right politicians).
It’s complete nonsense. Hexbear/lemmygrad/.ml have views that are consistent with pretty much every real life communist party, especially those in the global south.
If you don’t like communism that’s fine, but these textbook social democrats proclaiming themselves to be the true leftists are a joke. I think they just like the leftist label without having to actually walk the walk.
I’m aware. The “tankie” instances have stances that are overwhelmingly in line with Marxist orgs and parties worldwide, so the “anti-tankie” users either need to admit to just being anti-Marxist or try to honestly learn more.
I’ll always like to learn more!
Can you show me where Marx wrote to oppress workers, put the means of production in the hands of few and starve farmers to death?
What do you mean by “oligarchs painted in red?” How do you think AES states function? June 4th, 1989 was a tragic day where hundreds of people around Beijing were killed, students and soldiers alike, and the 1930s famine in the USSR was similarly tragic. I don’t think either the PRC or USSR intended for either of those events to happen the way they did.
@Cowbee From what i saw, i don’t see why you define yourself as leftist because your upvotes say otherwise and you didn’t apologize nor tried to amend for it because it wasn’t your. But you upvoted it.
It was a post where some hexbear account insulted me.
And there is a post where i saw your upvote and confronted you since you played as if you didn’t took part of it, didn’t know while being an advocate for hexbear’s instance.
That was one of my worst experience on internet.
It left me a very sour taste and when i showed your upvote, i hoped you would apologize, recognize that you played a role, then stand up and try to talk to them. Something like that.
However, you still ask us to change our view on hexbear while they continue doing the same thing…You may consider changing your point of view.
I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad from either of my 2 accounts, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I remember an admin abusing admin privledges to try to intimidate me into apologizing about who I upvoted and downvoted, so if that’s you then I suppose that checks out.
@Cowbee
You don’t need an account to see what those post are about. You know why you can’t interact with them. You can see them.
No, sorry, i’m not the right person. I’m not an admin but an moderator. I don’t belong to the trial section of the mod team, i don’t take position.
Our vote are public, anyone can see them. For example on mbin. That’s when i decided to sent that screenshot because you were defending hexbear anywhere.
@thoro
That’s the same principle as in any election. We check out your identity, make sure you didn’t vote twice, that you live there. That’s the core of the democracy system : transparency.
If i sum up, you want no one to check who backed those posts. Or find out a hexbear alt/supporter account as this one.
The best way is to completly remove the voting system from Lemmy because if vote aren’t public, most admin/mod team will remove them.
Yes, I know I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad on Lemmy.ml because it’s blocked, and I can’t on Hexbear because sh.itjust.works is blocked. I don’t really care for those instances where stalkers post out of context screenshots in order to drum up hate against Communists, or where the admin peddles conspiracy theories about foreign nations pushing “transgender ideology” to radicalize youths against the US.
I tend to defend Hexbear because more often than not I see lies told about it from people who were correctly banned and lied about the reason for banning, or from anticommunists. I make it a point to study history and read Marx and Marxist theory, so when I see fabrications, I try to point them out.
For reference, I don’t think many people would want to go along with whatever you want them to if you try to reveal information normally kept private. I don’t really care about upvotes or downvotes, or who knows about them, but as a rule of thumb it isn’t pleasant to have people try to “expose” you and force an apology, no matter what it is.
@Cowbee
I wasn’t talking about opening it why your account. As i said, you don’t need to interact with your account, you have a web browser.
you are right to defend your opinion but on the other hand there is thing that you can’t defend as those post i sent. So our vote quickly switched in defavour of hexbear. We were against defederation with hexbear firstly. And you didn’t question that.
Yes Lemmy dev designed vote of Lemmy that way. Any admin can see vote so they can check if there was any brigaging. I can’t. There was a raiding and a massive amount of upvote, downvote, so that’s when we check them up.
There are melery hidden but visible anywhere on the fediverse. On mbin, you can see upvote. You can see them on iceshrimp. And if you mount your own server, you can see everything.
Vote system has its pro and cons. In some case it allows us to block spam, push a good post. Other case it transform the whole thing as a stadium and escalate quickly.
I’m against voting system because it encourage a social pressure. I would completly remove them as beehaw do.
The idea of voting is promoting the most interesting/funny comment promote a mindset. And it doen’t tell anything about its content.
I prefer a tag system that tell us i’m talking about vegetable or scientific study. Then other tags as “good tips” “complete newpaper” “hilarous” “sad” “thank you !”
Indeed, it’s not alway pleasent seing ourselve in a mirror for anyone me included. That’s when you decide what is the best action.
Staying silent because you know it can be detrimentale, because you went there too. Because you know that he/she would deny. Because he/she will react badly and you need to protect yourself. Because it is not the right time and later they will ready.
Or saying the truth. I exposed you because it was a very serious issue and I wanted you to question your values. I wanted you to change, otherwise i wouldn’t write to you again.
I’m pretty sure you didn’t see that way, i’m a pest, aren’t i ? 😊 It was my own way to help you a little and then hexbear.
It gives a hint to people about why some leftists don’t consider what they call tankies as the real left way, they can read the tankies Wikipedia page for more details. I’m not expecting the communities being targeted by the tankies qualifier to agree with it, I was writing for the vast majority of people who are not from those, especially the recent wave of former redditors.
Because leftists usually defend human rights, and the authoritarian regimes defended by some people on Hexbear (but also lemmygrad and ml) tend to attack those human rights when they are in the way of their ideology (not unlike the far right politicians).
That’s very vague and doesn’t really say anything though. Why should someone listen to your take on it?
It’s complete nonsense. Hexbear/lemmygrad/.ml have views that are consistent with pretty much every real life communist party, especially those in the global south.
If you don’t like communism that’s fine, but these textbook social democrats proclaiming themselves to be the true leftists are a joke. I think they just like the leftist label without having to actually walk the walk.
I’m aware. The “tankie” instances have stances that are overwhelmingly in line with Marxist orgs and parties worldwide, so the “anti-tankie” users either need to admit to just being anti-Marxist or try to honestly learn more.
I’ll always like to learn more! Can you show me where Marx wrote to oppress workers, put the means of production in the hands of few and starve farmers to death?
Nowhere, but I’d like to know what you mean by any of that.
The stuff done by so called real life communist who pretty much always are oligarchs painted in red
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian’anmen-Massaker
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
I can’t see how Marx would approve any of that
What do you mean by “oligarchs painted in red?” How do you think AES states function? June 4th, 1989 was a tragic day where hundreds of people around Beijing were killed, students and soldiers alike, and the 1930s famine in the USSR was similarly tragic. I don’t think either the PRC or USSR intended for either of those events to happen the way they did.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization
I’m sorry did you just pull the “not radical enough” card on hexbear?
Mate I like your line but chill choom
No. On the people hating on hexbear and saying they are tankies/not real leftists
@Cowbee From what i saw, i don’t see why you define yourself as leftist because your upvotes say otherwise and you didn’t apologize nor tried to amend for it because it wasn’t your. But you upvoted it.
It was a post where some hexbear account insulted me.
Don’t know what you’re talking about, to be honest. Do you have a link?
@Cowbee
There is lot links in this community. I selected few one :
sh.itjust.works/post/26887977
sh.itjust.works/post/26892019
And there is a post where i saw your upvote and confronted you since you played as if you didn’t took part of it, didn’t know while being an advocate for hexbear’s instance.
That was one of my worst experience on internet.
It left me a very sour taste and when i showed your upvote, i hoped you would apologize, recognize that you played a role, then stand up and try to talk to them. Something like that.
However, you still ask us to change our view on hexbear while they continue doing the same thing…You may consider changing your point of view.
I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad from either of my 2 accounts, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I remember an admin abusing admin privledges to try to intimidate me into apologizing about who I upvoted and downvoted, so if that’s you then I suppose that checks out.
@Cowbee
You don’t need an account to see what those post are about. You know why you can’t interact with them. You can see them.
No, sorry, i’m not the right person. I’m not an admin but an moderator. I don’t belong to the trial section of the mod team, i don’t take position.
Our vote are public, anyone can see them. For example on mbin. That’s when i decided to sent that screenshot because you were defending hexbear anywhere.
Yeah, but those that go and look to confront users are absolute losers. And I’d love mbin to fail for that “feature”
@thoro
That’s the same principle as in any election. We check out your identity, make sure you didn’t vote twice, that you live there. That’s the core of the democracy system : transparency.
If i sum up, you want no one to check who backed those posts. Or find out a hexbear alt/supporter account as this one.
The best way is to completly remove the voting system from Lemmy because if vote aren’t public, most admin/mod team will remove them.
Yes, I know I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad on Lemmy.ml because it’s blocked, and I can’t on Hexbear because sh.itjust.works is blocked. I don’t really care for those instances where stalkers post out of context screenshots in order to drum up hate against Communists, or where the admin peddles conspiracy theories about foreign nations pushing “transgender ideology” to radicalize youths against the US.
I tend to defend Hexbear because more often than not I see lies told about it from people who were correctly banned and lied about the reason for banning, or from anticommunists. I make it a point to study history and read Marx and Marxist theory, so when I see fabrications, I try to point them out.
For reference, I don’t think many people would want to go along with whatever you want them to if you try to reveal information normally kept private. I don’t really care about upvotes or downvotes, or who knows about them, but as a rule of thumb it isn’t pleasant to have people try to “expose” you and force an apology, no matter what it is.
@Cowbee
I wasn’t talking about opening it why your account. As i said, you don’t need to interact with your account, you have a web browser.
you are right to defend your opinion but on the other hand there is thing that you can’t defend as those post i sent. So our vote quickly switched in defavour of hexbear. We were against defederation with hexbear firstly. And you didn’t question that.
Yes Lemmy dev designed vote of Lemmy that way. Any admin can see vote so they can check if there was any brigaging. I can’t. There was a raiding and a massive amount of upvote, downvote, so that’s when we check them up.
There are melery hidden but visible anywhere on the fediverse. On mbin, you can see upvote. You can see them on iceshrimp. And if you mount your own server, you can see everything.
Vote system has its pro and cons. In some case it allows us to block spam, push a good post. Other case it transform the whole thing as a stadium and escalate quickly.
I’m against voting system because it encourage a social pressure. I would completly remove them as beehaw do.
The idea of voting is promoting the most interesting/funny comment promote a mindset. And it doen’t tell anything about its content.
I prefer a tag system that tell us i’m talking about vegetable or scientific study. Then other tags as “good tips” “complete newpaper” “hilarous” “sad” “thank you !”
Indeed, it’s not alway pleasent seing ourselve in a mirror for anyone me included. That’s when you decide what is the best action.
Staying silent because you know it can be detrimentale, because you went there too. Because you know that he/she would deny. Because he/she will react badly and you need to protect yourself. Because it is not the right time and later they will ready.
Or saying the truth. I exposed you because it was a very serious issue and I wanted you to question your values. I wanted you to change, otherwise i wouldn’t write to you again.
I’m pretty sure you didn’t see that way, i’m a pest, aren’t i ? 😊 It was my own way to help you a little and then hexbear.
Not much more reasons that listening to yours, we are just some pseudonyms sharing opinions on a public forum.
I feel that your comment was so vague it didn’t end up saying anything though.
It gives a hint to people about why some leftists don’t consider what they call tankies as the real left way, they can read the tankies Wikipedia page for more details. I’m not expecting the communities being targeted by the tankies qualifier to agree with it, I was writing for the vast majority of people who are not from those, especially the recent wave of former redditors.