“The American people are angry and want change. And they’re right,” Sanders said.

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    I love Bernie, always have and it’s complete bullshit how badly they fucked him in 2016 and forced Hilary upon us.

    That being said, this feels a bit too hand-wavy to explain Trump’s victory. He won for dozens of reasons, not simply because the Democrats fielded a subpar candidate. Kamala and Biden both tried to appeal to Unions, defending them, and things like the climate change law and the CHIPS act are bringing lots of manufacturing jobs. The GOP has actively attacked unions, have passed laws in numerous states to weaken them. When Trump was president, his policies actively hurt industry in the long-term and passed a tax law that didn’t benefit the middle class for more than a few years.

    But yet… Blue collar people are tripping over themselves to vote for him. Why? Because they make empty promises while simultaneously gaslighting and lying to their faces, and they eat it right up. How do you convince people that the GOP hates them when they refuse to listen to reality?

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      You don’t have to convince them that the GOP hates them. You need to put your money with your mouth is and actually introduce policy changes benefitting the working class and publicize them in a way that even the dumbest person can understand.

      Politics are complicated. The economy is complicated. Even completely capable people don’t invest the time to understand them because they don’t need to know the details about either to get by in life. Especially true if they’re struggling to get by.

      We need Bernie Sanders policies with Katie Porter delivery.

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        Politics are complicated.

        People are fucking stupid and care more about in-group good-feels than reality or policy.

        Many Trump supporters like feeling like they are part of a larger group. That’s it. That’s really, deeply, stupid. Like, dogs are smarter than that. But they see the symbols and the faces and feel good about themselves.

        Some people are deeply racist or sexist and such, but a lot of people just want to feel like they’re part of a group.

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          What I said is still true. They’d care if they understood but they lack the incentive out ability to so they go with the flow of that they people around them say

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        You need to put your money with your mouth is and actually introduce policy changes benefitting the working class and publicize them in a way that even the dumbest person can understand.

        But they did and they tried to repeat it for over a year leading up to the election, even before Biden stepped down. The MAGA cult is utterly irrational and literally live in an alternate reality. It’s going to take a generation or longer for that hysteria to die out, if it even does.

        As for getting the 10+ million former Democrat voters out, that’s a whole other set of reasons.

        Honestly, in my opinion, the US is just way too varied and spread out to cater to everyone needed in order to win under our current electoral college system. It’s literally impossible without straight up giving empty promises/lies (which is what the GOP is doing). The next best solution is ranked choice voting and getting rid of the first-past-the-post system. Our country is just too large with too much variety for only two parties.

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          and publicize them in a way that even the dumbest person can understand.

          Not doing this part is a key point of failure.

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      Kamala and Biden both tried to appeal to Unions, defending them

      Remember when Biden stood up for the railroad workers? Me neither.

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        Remember when Biden stood up for the railroad workers? Me neither.

        I do remember this. Sound’s like your memory is bad.

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          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/

          The U.S. Senate voted 80 to 15 on Thursday to impose a tentative contract deal reached in September on a dozen unions representing 115,000 workers, who could have gone on strike on Dec. 9. But the Senate failed to approve a measure that would have provided paid sick days to railroad workers.

          “It was tough for me but it was the right thing to do at the moment – save jobs, to protect millions of working families from harm and disruption and to keep supply chains stable around the holidays,” Biden said, adding the deal avoided “an economic catastrophe.”

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            If this means that railroad workers never did get their sick days then you have a point.

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      I love Bernie, always have and it’s complete bullshit how badly they fucked him in 2016 and forced Hilary upon us.

      I love Bernie too. Yes the primary voters “forced Hillary upon you”. That’s how primary elections work. I am so sick of the Trumpian “elections are rigged” crap. That is Trump style shit that I’m sick of.

      Why? Because they make empty promises while simultaneously gaslighting and lying to their faces, and they eat it right up. How do you convince people that the GOP hates them when they refuse to listen to reality?

      This part is actually an excellent analysis.

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        Yes the primary voters “forced Hillary upon you”. That’s how primary elections work.

        I see you forgot about the whole “super delegate” fiasco. But not only that, the DNC leadership made it abundantly clear from the beginning that they wanted Bernie to fall in line. There were a few times that Obama even called him to the White House. There is a reason he went Independent shortly afterwards.