• Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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    And according to Spanish history, Columbus wasn’t the one that did the enslaving. After settling and making a small base he returned with news and then the conquerors went for war, the most notorious figure being Hernan Cortez.

    It’s crazy the amount of Columbus hate I read on american websites and no mention of Cortez, who was way way worse.

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          1 month ago

          Not by conquistador standards, conquistadors weren’t a thing when he died. He was the Caribbean governor and conquistadors conquered the rest of americas some years after he died.

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            1: Would you agree that the Spanish systemically conquered the Caribbean islands to establish the base of operations they needed to expand on the mainland?

            2: What does conquistador directly translate as?

            3: Was Columbus specifically removed because he was bad even by the other conquered islands’ standards?

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              Yes. Conqueror. Yes.

              I don’t get if you are trying to be smug about it or whatever, but the “conquerors” were a specific warring campaign soldiers deployed to conquer the rest of america, specifically the Aztecs since those weren’t “easy” to convert to catholicism given that they already had a religion.

              You specifically said “conquistador” standards, which although it’s an Spanish word that translates to conqueror, makes reference to a specific group that wasn’t even formed when Columbus died.

              Anyway, yes he was bad but I don’t get why no fucking one mentions Hernan Cortez, who massacred waaay more people, and went with the intent to murder and dominate them from the very beginning.

              Minor edit: he wasn’t removed of his titles because he was bad/evil, the Spaniard crows didn’t care about the murder of natives. He was removed because he became a tyrant of anyone who lived in the Caribbean, be it native or setter.

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                Mmhhmm.

                Tell me when conquistador became an official title, and what, exactly, was different about the mainland conquests that means you should treat the armed butchers as a separate entity?