At the center of the debate are key changes in the language used to describe Zionism, the movement that called for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in what is now Israel.
The 2023 version of the page framed Zionism as a nationalist movement born in the 19th century that sought to secure Jewish self-determination.
In contrast, the 2024 version of the entry introduces more charged terminology, describing Zionism as an “ethno-cultural nationalist” movement that engaged in “colonization of a land outside of Europe,” with a heightened focus on the resulting conflicts with Palestinian Arabs.
“Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible,” it reads.
The jewish and the palestinians have something in common. They were both driven from their home. It’s a shame that coexistence wasn’t the way it went but that’s humans for you… everyone who isn’t one of you is an other, and humans hate others.
Peace seems to always lose.
Maybe the Zionists should have taken that to the EUROPEANS WHO DID THAT and forced seizure of THEIR land and made THEM compensate; not passed that shit off on palestinians and colonize them who had nothing to do with european judeophobia. equating these two is ridiculous because the Palestinians are resisting against THE VERY PEOPLE WHO TOOK THEIR LAND, rather than going to some other, poorer place, and getting funneled weapons to brutalize and colonize and genocide them. You don’t see Palestinians driving tanks and bombs into Namibian villages and mass murdering them and stealing their land.
These things are not equal and it takes real liberal ‘enlightened centrist’ brainworms to speak in such vapid vacant platitudes as you are doing. friend your brain needs dewormed.
The residents of Palestine were peacefully coexisting Jews, Arabs, and Muslim descendants of the bronze-age indigenous people before the inception of Zionism by the British Empire in the early 1900s.
This is not a question of “religious coexistence”, it’s a question of murderous settler-colonialism and Empire.
Free Palestine.
The area was effectively a bloodbath until the twilight years of the ottoman empire for a very brief period.
From the muslim conquest of the levant in the 7th century, to the christian crusades across several centuries… there has been seemingly countless wars in the name of religion in the region. The conflict goes back much, much longer than 124 years.
Anyway, you talk about this being a question of something. I see no questions whatsoever. I just see hate after hate, bloodshed after bloodshed. It won’t end until humans bring themselves to extinction or one side wipes out the other because we’re incapable as a species of anything else.
I’m glad that the UN is pushing to get Israel out of the Gaza Strip at the least, but the damage is already done. The cycle will just continue because the hate will never end.
The claim the other person was making was very, very obviously not the absurdity you represent it as.
Nowhere does this say “were peacefully coexisting since the bronze age,” it says “these populations that descended from groups there since the bronze age were, during some period of time prior to zionism, peacefully coexisting.”
There are other problems with what you said, e.g. I wouldn’t blame the indigenous Christian inhabitants for the Crusades, but I don’t really want to get into this, I just want to point out that you wildly misrepresented your interlocutor.
Okay, so then i’ll focus on the specific claim of right during/before the early 1900s everyone was peacefully coexisting.
Sure, near the end of the ottoman empire there was a very brief period where there was some coexistence. Very brief.
“near the end of the ottoman empire there was a very brief period where there was some coexistence” @Lets_Eat_Grandma
For centuries, Muslims, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. How “peaceful” that was is debatable. That Palestinians of all creeds had homes on those lands is beyond dispute.
Then, the Zionists started arriving. They wanted to be the Master Race of the region. That’s the problem.
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This format of hashtags and @ is new to me on here, but then again I don’t think I’ve seen a theblower.au commenter before. Are you having to type all of that out when you finish your reply or does it auto pull context and tag it for you? seems like a lot of work and not sure on the reasons to categorize the replies like that.
TheBlower is an Australian mastodon instance @Cataphract
Mastodon and Lemmy are both parts of the Fediverse (using the ActivityPub protocol), so they communicate. Integration is pretty horrible, but improving.
Strings beginning with @ are mastodon addresses (or lemmy addresses translated by a mastodon interface). Mastodon copies across addresses and can autocomplete additional ones.
On mastodon, you can follow hashtags, so they play a substantial role. On the desktop, it’s fairly easy to copy/paste. Most mobile app’s are terrible, so hashtags tend to be neglected.
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How brief? A few hours?