Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn’t spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.
If all they manage to is change the current administration’s policy by protesting on the streets without ensuring that the current fascist threat doesn’t worm its way back into power, they’ve done a great deal less good than those of us involved in electoral politics working to actually block the fascist who jerks off to genocide and will have immense power to hurry it along.
I have nothing but respect for pro-Palestine protesters who understand the power they wield as citizens and voters. I don’t have any respect for pro-Palestine protesters who think that allowing fascism to win is in any way kosher.
If you actually spend that much time and energy in trying to get the democrats to win the election (I’m not counting online arguments), then I’d say your energy is better spent on protesting the system that is forcing people to choose between two fascist candidates. Because the people currently holding their dem votes because of the genocide are not changing their minds. It is part of being human to not vote for genocide, and forcing people to get rid of that humanity will mean a bleak future for the US in which nothing is too far or too much, as long as there is a scarier alternative.
I would say that if you see better chances in people changing their minds on voting for genocide than forcing the dems to adjust their policies then you are already in the scenario that is your nightmare, and that you should do everything to make sure that there comes an end to the vicious electoral system that forces the US into more right extremism every few years. Harris is supporting Trump by continuing the lies about the dangers of immigration and the need for such a rigid border control that it strips the humanity from everyone affected and forces children to be kept from their parents. How far will the dems move right next election if they win again? And how far right after that? They have already proven that they would rather fund genocide than getting a significant part of their voterbase back, which possibly means allowing Trump to win. They have shown time and time again that they do not actually fear a Trump win, or they would have adopted more popular positions (which are often leftist!).
This election is two choices. You either get athlete’s foot or terminal cancer. If you don’t choose, you get terminal cancer. If you protest because athlete’s foot is still bad, you get terminal cancer. Make your choice accordingly.
Yeah great way to ignore the fact that the way you vote impacts the political climate on the long term and if you vote for athletes foot today, tomorrow you will be forced to vote for terminal cancer because the alternative genocide. Except the ‘good option’ is already genocide today. Do you even know what you’re saying? Do you care so little about other people that instead of resisting genocide and fascism that you shame others into voting for it?
Nice slippery slope fallacy you got there. Do you care so little about women and lgbtqia+ people that you’d willingly sacrifice their rights? Do you care so little for kids that you’d allow the department of education to be dismantled and replaced with privatized school? Do you care so little for the shred of democracy left in America that you’d willingly let us become a christofascist theocracy? Republicans and project 2025 are a threat to the very foundation of this country, and you won’t vote to stop that? They’ll also let Israel continue their bullshit and spread it to other countries like Iran. You’re cool with that? Just so you can feel morally superior while allowing all of this other stuff to happen?
If you’re not voting Democrat right now, you’re an accelerationist.
I actually care a lot about those topics and am actively putting in work into my local lgbtq and Palestine protest communities, improving the lives of lgtbq people (like me) and making sure that the Palestinian cause is not forgotten. Through this work I talk with other leftists who care as much about these same topics as me. This puts me in a position where I know what motivates these people and gives me the generational knowledge of historically effective methods of fights for human rights.
I do not shame people into voting for or against anyone. If I did, and shamed everyone who wouldn’t vote for a liberal party like the US democrats, my community would not exist because I would alienate a lot of people who actually cares about these issues.
You are not helping anyone by calling genuine leftists fascists. You are actually closing a lot of bridges by picking fights with anyone who has a different method of fighting and advocating for human rights issues. I am 95% sure that you have not actually researched how to actually use US electorialism to your advantage, and are just repeating the same talking point that we have all heard a hundred times.
You are trying really hard to ignore the facts that lay before you:
Cool, so you would rather moralize about what will happen regardless of who wins this election than try to prevent America from becoming a theocracy. Cool cool. Enjoy the indiscriminate slaughter of all those groups you say you support. I hope you live comfortably through all the death. Have a good one.
I don’t think you’ve read what I wrote and if you did you did so with a large portion of prejudices. I’m also not the person ‘moralising’ here lol, I’m here in this thread arguing because I find it disturbing that the op frames anti genocide protesters as ‘fascists’. I’d argue that calling people fascist for having a different opinion on the workings of the US electoral systems and the power of protestation is actually more moralistic. I’m giving my point of view because people here (like you) seem to think that they can speak for minority groups that they don’t actually know that well.
It feels like you don’t understand the logic somehow.
They said “if you don’t vote for athlete’s foot, you’ll get terminal cancer”
You said “if you do vote for athlete’s foot, you’ll later have to vote for terminal cancer”
Let’s say that your logic is correct.
What you are advocating for is… getting terminal cancer now… so you don’t have to vote to get it later…
Pretty fucking stupid take.
I’m saying that to argue that the election is not as important as people here seem to imply, because the big scary thing that will happen with Trump will happen anyways but it will be a democrat and a few years later. You (and other commenters) seem to think that electorialism is the only way to prevent ‘facism’, but I argue that you are already under a fascist government that is funding a genocide and forcing you to keep voting for them ‘or else’. I’ve repeated this same thing a lot in these threads but I’ll do it again: historically the only way to really change the course and to protect the human rights that are at stake/lacking currently is through strikes and civil unrest.
Lmao so you’re straight up admitting to being an accelerationist. Glad we could get there together. You want things to get worse faster so that hopefully other people will rise up.
If you don’t know the difference between protesting and accelerationism then idk what to tell you. Trump winning the election wouldn’t be good for anyone.