The real source is a German news site called “Tag24 News.” Why did you link to an MSN reprint of it?
In any event, Jill Stein is almost certainly a Russian asset, and the American version of the Green Party bears little resemblance to the European Greens, both in policy positions and credibility. Ellison has every right to express his opinions about them.
The real source is a German news site called “Tag24 News.” Why did you link to an MSN reprint of it?
Because the MSN link is what comes up in my newsfeed and is the version I read. So I posted. In any event, Tag24News is a legit news site as well
In any event, Jill Stein is almost certainly a Russian asset,
You’re welcome to your opinion, but I don’t think she is.
You’re welcome to your opinion, but I don’t think she is.
Not really opinion at this point…
Putin’s Shill Stein wants Nato disbanded, the US to give up their SC veto, and revoke weapons to help Ukraine defend itself while simultaneously forcing ‘peace’ (subjugation) negotiations with russia.
For those that don’t understand how the Electoral College + FPTP voting works, voting for her means helping donald become president due to the spoiler effect.
More context:
- Emir Kusturica is a propagandist filmmaker quoted as saying “if I was Russian I would vote for him”. He also supports Russian annexation of Crimea.
- Willy Wimmer was a Right-wing German politician who in his retirement has effectively become a far-right conspiracy theorist that regularly posts to the Epoch Times.
Not really opinion at this point
It is still an opinion though.
If anything they did was illegal, then it’d be front page news. And apparently enough people like her that it makes Democrats scared and angry enough to try to block her and spread misinformation about her every chance they get. lol
I personally don’t care about that photo or your suspicions about her at all all.
The more you repeat this, the more clear it is you have a very childish understanding of electoral dynamics and voter motivations.
That’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it. But clearly, enough people agree with me that it has the duopoly worried. I’m perfectly fine with that, thanks! :)
You’re confusing worry with annoyance.
You’re confusing worry with annoyance.
Maybe. Then you all can block me, just like the dems are trying to do with third parties. Except blocking me is way easier! :)
If anything they did was illegal
Haven’t said she did anything illegal yet. We aren’t spreading misinformation. All that is backed up by evidence. You are.
I personally don’t care about that photo or your suspicions about her at all all.
Then report me to the mods, file a complaint with the linked news sources, and/or block me. Also, that photo and damning evidence isn’t for you. :D
You are.
What misinformation am I spreading? I just posted a news article. If you believe any part of the article is inaccurate, I encourage you to reach out to the news organization that published it.
Then report me to the mods
Why would I report you to the mods?! I haven’t seen you do anything in this thread that’s against community rules. I’m fine with you disagreeing with me. I disagree with you too.
I’m not even voting for her. lol
What misinformation am I spreading?
For one, you claim that Democrats are angry or worried about the Green Party and you KNOW (because I and many Many people have proven this to you beyond the point of rational disagreement) they aren’t. What they are worried or angry about is the danger of the spoiler effect of these BS 3rd party candidates, with zero chance of winning the presidency, causing the Republicans to win despite almost nobody in these conversations wanting that at all.
You’ve blatantly said you do not care about the spoiler effect and the only reason someone with your alleged intentions wouldn’t care about increasing the chances of Trump winning is if that was what your real goal was.
For one, you claim that Democrats are angry or worried about the Green Party and you KNOW (because I and many Many people have proven this to you beyond the point of rational disagreement) they aren’t.
If they’re not angry or worried, then why is there such a strong reaction when I post news about the Green Party? Why go to such lengths to remove them from the ballot? It seems like there’s a lot of effort being made for something they’re supposedly unconcerned about.
What they are worried or angry about is the danger of the spoiler effect of these BS 3rd party candidates
So, they are worried and angry about the Green Party, just for different reasons. That seems to contradict what you just said.
the only reason someone with your alleged intentions wouldn’t care about increasing the chances of Trump winning is if that was what your real goal was.
The Trump accusation is not only incorrect but painfully unoriginal. The real threat is the Duopoly and capitalism. Whether it’s Trump or Harris, both serve the same ruling class keeping workers down.
If you think I’m voting for Trump, then you haven’t noticed any of my posts. lol Have a look: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
I’m not even voting for her. lol
This you?
They’ve hired Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow to try to force their way onto the ballot in Nevada, a swing state. They’re so obviously compromised.
Heavens no, not ballot representation!
True representation would be an electoral system without the spoiler effect.
Why are you fighting so hard to retain the spoiler effect?
I’m explicitly wanting to get rid of the spoiler effect.
No, see jill stein wants to get rid of first past the post. Democrats fight to keep competitors off the ballot because they benefit from first past the post. You are explicitly fighting to keep it.
Isn’t if funny how posters here are saying she and her party are not competent or important, but they are working hard to keep her off the ballot?
So she hires a lawyer, then they cry about that.
It seems like there’s a lot of effort being made for something they’re supposedly unconcerned about. lol
Doesn’t bother me at all.
but I don’t think she is.
Translation: I’m covering for her as a part time job
Someone should explain to those Muslims in Wisconsin that Stein literally cannot win their state. She has no electors. State law requires that a candidates electors be nominated by state office holders. The greens have no state office holders so they cannot nominate any electors. Even if Stein were to somehow win the state, she can’t get the electoral votes for Wisconsin. All she can do is again steal enough votes from Harris to give the election to Trump.
It’s not about that. It’s making the statement: condem Israel and promise an arms embargo or we’ll spoil the election.
That’s all Kamala has to do and the Jill problem will be over.
That may be the statement they want to make, but the statement they are making is: Condemn Israel or we will let the fascists install a virulently anti-Muslim dictator who will actively help Israel wipe out Palestine.
You might call it a political suicide bombing?
Yeah those muslims just need to rollover and accept democrats or republicans murdering them
A Democrat or a Republican is going to win either way. Only an insane person or an idiot would vote for someone with no chance of winning rather than for the candidate who will do the least harm.
Only an insane person or an idiot would vote for someone with no chance of winning rather than for the candidate who will do the least harm.
So you’re saying all these Muslim voters are either insane or idiots for making their own choice? That doesn’t sound very respectful.
If they vote third party then yes, I do think they’re idiots or insane people. But I also have faith they’ll make the right decision when election day finally comes.
If they vote third party then yes, I do think they’re idiots or insane people.
Wow, alright then. Gee, I can’t imagine why anyone on the fence wouldn’t be racing to join the Democrats. I mean, with such welcoming, open-minded attitudes like yours, who wouldn’t want to? Lmao.
I’m not a Democrat, I’m just planning to vote for one. Because I’m not a fucking idiot.
So everyone who isn’t voting for Harris is “a fucking idiot”? Wow. Ok, then. lmao
Calling voters murderers is an outstanding electoral strategy
Im calling the elected officials murderers
Someone should explain to those Muslims in Wisconsin
I think you’re underestimating them. These workers and voters are educated, smart, and fully aware of the stakes—they don’t need anyone to explain anything.
To imply they can’t think for themselves is an insult to their intelligence. They’re not pawns of the duopoly; they know exactly what they’re doing by rejecting the system that’s failed them time and time again. And I support them and their decisions.
They are not rejecting the system. To do that they would need to leave and go somewhere else. What they, and you, are doing is refusing to participate in the system as it currently functions and by doing so allowing the system to put a fascist in charge, a fascist that will happily wipe them out.
What they, and you, are doing is refusing to participate in the system as it currently functions and by doing so allowing the system to put a fascist in charge, a fascist that will happily wipe them out.
I disagree. OP is 1000% aware of the results of the actions they support. They are actively participating in assisting fascists. I refuse to let them act like they’re sitting this out because they’re so enlightened about the duopoly and whatever nonsense they want to bitch about.
They are actively participating in assisting fascists.
All that because I’m not voting for your candidate? lmao
Also, half of the country isn’t voting for your candidate. So are you implying that entirely half of the United States are “actively participating in assisting fascists”?!
So half of America is fascist now?! Say what, mate?!
I’m still not gonna vote for your candidate, but wow, you seem really angry and confused.
I couldn’t care less who you vote for. Your propaganda crusade for 3rd party candidates is where I get annoyed. Luckily you’re incredibly transparent so I don’t think you’re all that effective.
No one’s angry with you. We just know what you are and it’s just annoying that we have to cover your spew of nonsense when we could be having much more productive and interesting discussions.
This ends another pointless conversation with a child. Have a nice day!
Your propaganda crusade for 3rd party candidates is where I get annoyed. Luckily you’re incredibly transparent so I don’t think you’re all that effective.
So if I’m as ineffective as you say, then there’s really no reason for you to be annoyed or concerned. Right? I mean, if I’m not making an impact, then what’s the harm in just letting me post what I want where I want?
No one’s angry with you.
Um…
We just know what you are
And what am I?
it’s just annoying that we have to cover your spew of nonsense when we could be having much more productive and interesting discussions.
You don’t actually have to deal with my “spew of nonsense” at all. You can simply choose not to interact, skip reading my posts, or block me altogether if it bothers you that much. No one’s forcing you to comment here, right?
So half of America is fascist now?! Say what, mate?!
Tbf, probably more than that. But it’s always “the other party”, not my favorite major half of the duopoly.
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Again, I think you’re underestimating them. These workers and voters are educated, smart, and fully aware of the stakes—they are doing what they want to. And I support them voting for whoever they want to vote for. As I support you voting for whoever you want to.
I trust them. This is all bullshit hype. The vast majority of everyone are too smart to fall for this Jill Stein spoiler bullshit. But you keep pumping it. We’ll see how it turns out in the end. It’s keeping you busy at least.
But you keep pumping it.
Friend, I didn’t write the article–I just posted it. How is that “pumping it”?
Are you implying that there should be news we shouldn’t post or not allow to be seen? Do you know what that’s called?
I’m not even voting for Jill Stein, brother.
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Really? Here’s my post history: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
So, tell me, how much time do you think I’m actually spending “pumping out” Jill Stein articles (which I don’t even write)? There’s my post history for all to see. What percentage of my posts are about her or the Green Party?
Go ahead, enlighten us.
If news articles bother you so much, and you’d rather see less coverage that challenges your views, please feel free to contact the news orgs and tell them why you believe in more censorship and fewer choices.
In a way, AOC was right.
Wanted to add that the there’s an exception to this. The actual law states that, among other categories,
Candidates for the senate and assembly nominated by each political party at the primary,
Legislative candidates can also be electors.
So if the Green Party had fielded candidates for these lower offices, then those candidates could also serve as the electors and they wouldn’t have this problem. Which hits the point that AOC made well, that the Green Party needs to be building at the grassroots and fielding candidates in more lower offices.
If we check the law itself again, there’s also this bit,
8.185 Write-in candidates for president and vice president. … (2) Any candidates for the office of president and vice president of the United States as write-in candidates shall file a list of presidential electors … Compliance with this subsection may be waived by the commission … In such event, the write-in candidate shall have until 4:30 p.m. on the Friday following the general election to comply with the filing requirements of this subsection.
It’s interesting to see that the requirements are more lax for write-in candidates - not needing to decide on the electors until after the election has been held.
And if a write-in or independent or third party did win the election, I think it’s a possibility that retiring state senators from other parties might well agree to serve as electors for that candidate (as the better alternative to seeing the state’s electoral votes lost).
So if Jill Stein were a write-in candidate, then it’s possible to see her getting an actual slate of electors in Wisconsin if she did win the election in that state.
That being the case, perhaps there’s some legal rabbit that the Green Party is waiting to pull out of their hat to solve this when the time is right - say to argue and convince the WEC and the courts that the more lax write-in deadline should apply to Stein and the Green Party upon their victory.
Good. Fuck Russian asset Jill stein
I’m not voting for her, so your distaste for her doesn’t matter to me at all. You are def free to your opinion.
I’m not voting for her
This you?
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I don’t know what that means.
You post in bad faith, you’re pseudo famous for it as well, we all mock you openly.
So do you think that people mocking openly is gonna help change my mind when it comes to voting though?
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