I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
    3·
    3 个月前

    the end doesn’t justify the means

    Suppression of the right was necessary, however the relative freedom given to locals to carry it out resulted in people using it to settle old scores or non-ideological people to advance politically within the party. While dekulization enabled them, those actions were orthogonal (and actually hindered) the aims of dekulization.

    Whether that can be considered justification or apologia isn’t constructive IMO. Personally though, I just consider it an error in the way it was carried out.

    Similar issues (and resulting sentiments) are observed in the wake of Mao giving villages the freedom to set up their own courts and try landlords and others.

    It’s […] vital to denounce them if you consider yourself a leftist.

    We had that struggle back when Kruschev sent the tanks into Hungary and every western leftist org was falling over each other to denounce the USSR. Meanwhile nazis were being put in charge of police forces in South America to do crimes against humanity against indigenous and communist elements and hundreds of thousands were being massacred in South Korea.

    Turns out the tankies were right. Denouncing the enemies of the state you live in just serves to carry water for imperialism.

      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
        3·
        3 个月前

        Someone that actually cares about left-wing politics cares a lot more about the outcomes

        Yes, that’s why I recommended The Jakarta Method, it details exactly what the outcome looks like when the left doesn’t repress the right and instead lets the sabotage and organize. It’s really an important book because you can see echos of the methods in South Korea under the dictatorship, Taiwan during the white terror, Pinochet’s Chile, Uruguay even before the '73 coup, etc.

        they proved they were no better than the capitalists they despise so much.

        If you believe this, you do not know the scale and details of capitalist repression.

        utopia

        Literally no Marxist would call any AES project Utopian, except as a pejorative.

        Here’s a pamphlet differentiating Utopian and Scientific Socialism It’s not an easy read due to being from 1880.

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
            21·
            3 个月前

            I know my local revolutionnary/communist party, despite being leninist, is fiercely anti-Stalin, for instance. The fixation on defending totalitarianism is frankly bizarre.

            You sound like you’re talking about trotskyists, who have been the main ones keeping the old communist scarecrows alive on the left

            I remember going to one of my local groups anti-fascism reading years back and it was mostly a bunch of white people rambling about how evil Stalin was.

            By comparison the student maoists I’ve known have way more nuanced opinions on Stalin and actually do community and propaganda work rather than selling newspapers

              • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
                11·
                3 个月前

                That’s literally what every trot org does, they sing Lenins praises, while continuing to bicker about factional infighting from close to a hundred years ago.

                I have family members who were (forcibly) internally resettled in the USSR who hold less of a grudge against Stalin than some American trots I’ve encountered.