I do not have and addiction problem, you have a problem with my addiction.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    61·
    3 months ago

    Is it too much to ask for the days when my system was nothing but a prompt in which I may or may not type “startx”?

          • stanka@lemmy.ml
            1·
            3 months ago

            If you switch to the VT with Ctrl-Alt-F1, and hit ctrl-z the process is suspended, but does not complete so it never gets to the exit.

            At least that is my suspicion. I’m going to try it when I’m in front of a machine.

            • ulterno@lemmy.kde.socialEnglish
              1·
              3 months ago

              In case of && , the second process waits for the first process to finish with error code 0, before it starts.

              In case of &, the second process starts without waiting for the first to finish. Meaning, by the time you are looking at the GUI, the exit command has already been executed.

              • stanka@lemmy.ml
                2·
                3 months ago

                Right. Yeah I didn’t engage my brain on the & initially as i thought it was just a typo. But that should work, seems others on the internet think the same.

                I like ‘exec startx’, but really if someone has physical access, unless you are doing a lot of other security, you can’t be safe.

                • ulterno@lemmy.kde.socialEnglish
                  0·
                  3 months ago

                  I tend to be lucky in that regard, as people around me who might get physical access, tend to not have Linux know-how, even if they think of pranking me.

                  Also, I lock my room.

    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      5·
      3 months ago

      Hah that’s what I always had on Debian on my laptop back in the version 9 days (buster?). Nothing’s stopping you from doing it now with runlevels. I think with systemd it’s just systemctl set-default multiuser.target

      You can then always get the full boot with systemctl isolate graphical.target

      Might not be the exact command but it’s something like that for sure.

      • JATth@lemmy.world
        4·
        3 months ago

        The default systemd target to boot into can be overriden from the kernel command line.

        If the GUI ever gets broken, having a such fallback boot entry just for the (VT) console mode is invaluable. (The boot-entry can reuse the same kernel and initrd images from the regular boot.)

    • Siegfried@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 months ago

      Well, one can always uninstall the DE, right?

      A fresh install of debian without DE will do that at least

  • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
    49·
    3 months ago

    I’m at the point in my Linux journey where I have settled into a stable system, configured 99.9% how I want it. Seeing diminishing returns on effort put into tweaking it. But I just keep looking at window managers. I have people who need me in the world but I just can’t stop looking at them. I don’t know what to do.

    • cygnus@lemmy.ca
      31·
      3 months ago

      Every year or so I fire up a VM, install a window manager on it, realize I have no idea WTF I’m doing, and nuke the VM and go back to my regular KDE desktop.

      • Waffelson@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        You should try a well-configured window manager to love them.

        I have tried using i3wm with default settings and it is very far from the configured system

        Try ArchCraft to understand

    • Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      10·
      3 months ago

      I used to do the same, but recently I’ve found a dustro and window manager that just work for me. The distro is Fedora atomic, and the window manager is sway.

      I pretty much just used a floating window manager like a tiling one, almost always snapping them to 1/2 or 1/3 of the screen. Eventually I tried sway, and after learning some of the shortcuts, it seems like the perfect window manager for someone like me.

    • OR3X@lemm.ee
      6·
      3 months ago

      I’m in the same boat so I started getting my “tweaking” fix by making my own themes. Just got my first cursor theme working and it’s awesome!

      • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
        3·
        3 months ago

        Sweet! I’ve experimented with installing a few bits from gnome look but haven’t made any of my own. How difficult is it? I’ve managed to theme my favourite terminal applications though. A big part of my satisfaction is based on feeling, a large part of which is visual. Diehard instrumentalists may look down on me for it but I am unashamed and not alone.

        • OR3X@lemm.ee
          5·
          3 months ago

          Honestly, it’s way more convoluted and frustrating than it has any right to be. The only tools I found were cursor-toolbox which allows you to convert SVG templates to the correct set of PNGs and xcursorgen which converts the PNGs to actual cursor files. It took me several tries just get a working cursor set. Then I spent much much longer actually drawing and tweaking my theme using inkscape. It was certainly rewarding to get it working though. Now I smile every time I see the little “busy” animation.

    • Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      3·
      3 months ago

      Same. The temptation is strong but I don’t know if it’ll be worth the time and effort when Xfce already works fine for me.

    • alyth@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 months ago

      What do you use? I’m happy with i3 and haven’t looked at other window managers in a while.

      • PedroG14@lemmy.ml
        187·
        3 months ago

        Meh, hyprland devs and community are known for being toxic, specially with minorities. Can’t use because of this :/

      • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
        1·
        3 months ago

        Same. It also has option to open an app when an empty workspace is opened. It’s just so convenient compared to sway which is very solid but also feels quite limiting like i3.

        • 299792458ms@lemmy.zipOP
          1·
          3 months ago

          I think you can open stuff when empty workspaces are created, I did it once but I do not anymore because my workspaces reason of being changes when I connect and external monitor.

  • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
    131·
    3 months ago

    As someone that pretty much had to use WMs before full DEs came out: fuck WMs.

      • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        That was what was available in the early days before it was put together into a (eventually usable) package with Gnome and CDE.

  • QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee
    9·
    3 months ago

    I can’t go back from a tiling WM but I would actually prefer to use a DE nowadays. I seriously hope that COSMIC will be able to fill that gap between the two.

    • quissberry@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      4·
      3 months ago

      Also, the fact that you can edit COSMIC through config files is a game changer. Although I don’t really like the tiling layout style, sometimes I want something easy to setup like GNOME but with good autotiling

    • KrankyKong@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 months ago

      You could use your twm within kde or xfce. I’ve never done it, but people who have seem to be happy with it.

      • QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee
        21·
        3 months ago

        Thanks for the suggestion but I’m not going back from Wayland either.

        I know there are ways to tile in both Gnome and KDE, I tried some of them. Unfortunately, none of them allow for workspace management type I’m used to.

        What I need is to have workspaces 1-5 on the first monitor, 6-8 on the second, and 9-11 on the third. I need those to be bound to the monitors so I don’t have to manually move them around. And I need to switch between them independently of course. It’s interesting that no DE seems to be able to do that but it’s a standard way to set up Hyprland or Sway.

    • 299792458ms@lemmy.zipOP
      1·
      3 months ago

      My mostly stock Gnome was Caffeine, Vertical Workspaces, Sane Airplane Mode, No Startup Overview… can’t remember what else and the exact names of the extensions.

  • mysticpickle@lemmy.ca
    7·
    3 months ago

    This meme would work better if that banana didn’t look like it yearned for the sweet release of death in banana bread.

  • slacktoid@lemmy.mlEnglish
    6·
    3 months ago

    I just like my keyboard shortcuts and easy configurations. But… Kdewayland and pipewire is just so easy.

  • zeppo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    3 months ago

    I started using WindowMaker to n an old laptop that was mainly for playing music and I ended up loving it. It kinda reminds me of using an Amiga. Super fast to start, lightweight in terms of ram, and does everything I need. I like the squishy luxuries of KDE sometimes but it’s been a little over complicated since KDE 4.

  • Zozano@lemy.lolEnglish
    5·
    3 months ago

    I’ve been kind of interested in a tiling wm for a while now, but I want to see a demo of someone who has really spent the time of fully utilising its true power. Does anyone have a recommended video for something like that?

    • 299792458ms@lemmy.zipOP
      6·
      3 months ago

      Unfortunately I do not have one of those videos, my experience with youtubers is that usually they do not go in depth.

      The most powerful wm’s can be the ones based in tags(instead of workspaces) like dwm and riverwm, but they are conceptually harder to wrap your head around them and can be of higher cognitive effort than regular workspace wms.

      Window managers potential varies and even more so with your personal workflow. I would suggest checking the window manager for:

      • tag/workspace based
      • window tags(for workspace based)
      • window/workspace/tag movement
      • layouts
      • window tab/group
      • input support
      • output support
      • decorations

      The most important ones are workflow related because you cam always have a hotkey daemon running if the wm’s input support isn’t as good.

      Here are my dotfiles, none of those wm configs use all features but you get the idea.

    • 299792458ms@lemmy.zipOP
      5·
      3 months ago

      I have tried both of them. They are both powerful on their own respect. Niri is still on its early days so things like floating window are a work in progress (last time I checked), but things like its window management is great if you can set up nice keybinds for the multitude of actions available and its scrolling behaviour works like a charm on laptops. Niri also has a configuration file validator that you can use before restarting Niri which is genius! One thing you might hate or love is the dynamic workspaces, workspaces are moved/renamed so that they are consecutive. So if you had four occupied workspaces ( 1 through 4) and clear workspace 3 now you would have three consecutive workspaces (1 through 3) effectively making workspace 4 now be workspace 3.

      River is super fast because of how minimal it is plus it has some nice community layouts available to suit your taste better. Also the tag window management can be the fastest out there but can become hard if not set up properly. It was to cool and all but I feel it is more for power users and it totally overwhelmed me when I tried to set up stuff to set tags for windows and move them around monitors (and that when you move a window to a monitor it does not keep focus on it). The way I use Sway and Hyprland is to set workspaces for different monitors and it just feels easy for me to move windows around focusing(or not) the destined workspace. I think the best feature of River is to toggle any window on your focused tag, it really feels like magic.

      Hope that helps.

      • quissberry@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        2·
        3 months ago

        Niri has a way to have named workspaces now which basically act like persistent workspaces, so you don’t have to use dynamic workspaces system. I really like niri and have it as my daily driver

        • 299792458ms@lemmy.zipOP
          1·
          3 months ago

          Yeah, my problem with it is that I have to be conscious of what named workspaces are created to know what keybind to hit to switch to them and that they occupy regular workspaces place. I guess one is meant to scroll through them with your touchpad or keybinds, but when you have 5 + workspaces it become inefficient. I think Niri would be better suited for ultra-wide monitor but then one would not have a touchpad… Most importantly when you want to send windows to a particular workspace (other than neighbor workspaces) it can be a nighmare. Probably its just me no being able to figure it out and/or became to accustomed to a particular workflow, #skill_issue.

          • quissberry@lemmy.cafeEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            I feel like you are missing something because I can directly hop around one of my ten workspaces with a single click, without a need of scrolling through the workspaces between. What I do is to create ten named workspaces in startup (I actually only use like five of them but let’s ignore that). Then I can still navigate them by the index number. I don’t use regular workspaces enitrely in my setup.

            Note: I only use a single monitor and never move workspaces up or down so I don’t know the experience there.

            • 299792458ms@lemmy.zipOP
              1·
              3 months ago

              Oh, I can’t remeber well but here is my question: when you have set 10 named workspaces and only have active #1, #2 and #4… Does not #4 become #3 even if its named? Meaning you can focus the originally #4 workspace? Anyway when I used it(for 3-4days consecutive) I did not think of naming workspaces just 1 to 10 to fix in them in place lmao.