This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.

  • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
    86·
    4 months ago

    2000 was like this, the Supreme Court literally passed a law to get Bush to win the presidency.

    George W. Bush and Al Gore. On December 8, the Florida Supreme Court had ordered a statewide recount of all undervotes, over 61,000 ballots that the vote tabulation machines had missed. The Bush campaign immediately asked the U.S. Supreme Court to stay the decision and halt the recount. Justice Antonin Scalia, convinced that all the manual recounts being performed in Florida’s counties were illegitimate, urged his colleagues to grant the stay immediately.[1] On December 9, the five conservative justices on the Court granted the stay, with Scalia citing “irreparable harm” that could befall Bush, as the recounts would cast “a needless and unjustified cloud” over Bush’s legitimacy. In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that “counting every legally cast vote cannot constitute irreparable harm.”[1]

    Why do you feel the need to lie about this?

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      81·
      4 months ago

      2000 was like this, the Supreme Court literally passed a law to get Bush to win the presidency.

      Did you miss the part about being more than happy to cheat, or did you ignore it?

      Why do you feel the need to lie about this?

      Oh, sorry, you’re correct, we haven’t had real elections since 2000.

      • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
        53·
        4 months ago

        You don’t think cheating in an election, discounting votes, counts as being a threat to democracy? Using the Supreme Court to make a ruling for the sole purpose of making Bush president? That’s more than a threat, that’s a headshot.

        If you think that we haven’t had real elections since 2000, why do you say things are different now? This has been ongoing. I don’t see why you feel the need to make a narrative that this is all new.

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          71·
          4 months ago

          I think dismantling the ability of the opposition to acquire office or remove the ruling party from office is a existential threat to democracy.

          Playing legal games to go against the popular vote and stall a region’s vote is a violation of democracy. Not an existential threat to it.

          So unless you’d like to tell me how we haven’t had elections since, I stick by what I said.

          • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
            52·
            4 months ago

            There is now legal precedent to do that at any given moment. I’m literally so confused about why you are trying to die on this hill? Republicans have been eating away at voting rights for a long time. If only some people have their votes counted, that’s not a democracy.

            Edit: not to mention the persistence of the electoral college, which has already fundamentally destroyed the idea of democracy.

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
              41·
              4 months ago

              There is now legal precedent to do that at any given moment.

              Funny enough, one of the most outrageous parts of that case was that it explicitly did not establish legal precedent for it.

              If only some people have their votes counted, that’s not a democracy.

              So have we ever been a democracy, in your eyes?

              It’s real funny that you’re trying to normalize Trump’s behavior by casting it as just another Republican administration.

              Not ha-ha funny.

              • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
                14·
                4 months ago

                If it happened before, what is stopping it from happening again? Why can’t the Supreme Court do it again and also say “yeah but it’s not a precedent”?

                Why do you feel the need to pretend the US is suddenly becoming undemocratic? And why have you ignored that question? I am actually curious here?

                • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                  5·
                  4 months ago

                  If it happened before, what is stopping it from happening again?

                  The same thing that would have stopped it in 2000 - an undeniable vote margin advantage in the contested state.

                  Why do you feel the need to pretend the US is suddenly becoming undemocratic?

                  Why do you feel the need to downplay and normalize the threat to democracy currently occurring?

                  • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
                    13·
                    4 months ago

                    Republicans have been like this for a long time, why are you denying it? It was bad in the 80s too. Did you forget Reagan? And his genocide against gay people during the AIDs crisis? Saying the Republicans have always been bad doesn’t make Trump any less bad.

                    https://prospect.org/politics/2024-07-10-project-2025-republican-presidencies-tradition/

                    Then as now, the Heritage Foundation gave a Republican president a blueprint to do it. Indeed, Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership shares the same name, and same format, with the volume Heritage published in 1981.

                    If anything, acknowledging this history strengthens your case against Trump, because we can look at the impacts of Republican policies and nominations.

                  • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
                    14·
                    4 months ago

                    And here you are kind of defending the Republicans? Like, oh the vote margin was small so it was kind of okay? Wtf? lol

                    Why wouldn’t there be narrow vote margins again? It’s not implausible.