I frequently encounter Kuato, that user is an ardent supporter/defender of the Triad lol

However, it seems like it would limit the influence of that instance if they were to be honest about application of that label so… they refuse.

That’s what it’s all about, they want to spread their “message” and they take whatever steps needed to make their authoritarian “principles” hidden. Even their “What is Lemmy.ml” link in the side bar leads to a post that makes no mention of their politics, ideologies or the kind of content they truly allow. Just that it’s a “niche” instance lol

I wish that I could praise the Lemmy devs for the good they have done, even while also criticizing them for the bad. However, the more that I learn the less ah… “compatible” with democratic principles their authoritarian actions seem to me.

I feel the same, it’s hard to praise their good work, when there’s just so much…bad vibes surrounding it.

Is also the only general instance of note to do so, I love it for it, but it doesn’t make enough of a statement to the outside rep of the Threadiverse to make a damn for growth purposes. And I don’t think the admin of .cafe has the resources to scale either, not like .world does so it’s not like we can just massively dump newcomers to it either

You don’t need to “jack rabbit” out, but you shouldn’t be moving like a sloth either, every second of delay delays all other cars behind you and reduces overall traffic flow

Your analogy doesn’t work because nobody is talking about shutting their instances down or “taking them over” they are free to have their space and network with aligned instances.

But the rest of the network is also not obligated to federate with them and allow their misinformation to spread.

Thanks, yea I know my solutions are far from perfect, but its the best I could come up with from what a “regular user” could do.

Lemmy’s source code problem is a multifaceted issue. Some of it, I’m sure is done intentionally like how blocks barely function as a mute (Remember when Xitter threatened to downgrade their proper blocking to essentially what Lemmy has now? People were up in arms over it, but dessalines does it and not much more the murmurs about it) or like you said how the modlog doesn’t display the mod/admin who did it anymore (though it’s still available on certain UIs, like photon.lemmy.world/modlog so it’s still leagues better than what Reddit has)

But then some of it, like removed posts pointlessly linking in the modlog to something that won’t and will never pull up, not sure if it was done with ill intent or just a bug. After all, Rust is a fairly difficult language which leads to slow development and not a whole lot of open source devs focusing on it.

But then, that’s the crux of the issue isn’t it, because of their politics and behaviors nobody can be really sure whats just a bug or flaw that just hasn’t been dealt with yet or done with malicious intent to benefit their own political goals

In any case, Lemmy is going to be an albatross around the Thrediverse for years, for as long as there’s continued wide federation with the Triad. I think the wider Fediverse will be mostly fine because Mastodon et all will be unique enough to the average user.

But I want to see the Threadiverse grow to take on Reddit one day. And to do that we need to take care of the Tankie problem

Like I did in making a petition to defederate hexbear from Discuss.Online, perhaps you would like to petition PieFed.social to defederate Lemmy.ml? Lemmy.World never will, and likely discuss.online and all the others too, because of the software considerations - although PieFed.World might? (it has not yet: I still see lemmy.ml communities listed on it) You would be a good person to list out the references and make a cogent argument for the need to do so? [email protected] might be the best place to send it.

Oh don’t worry, I’ve got things cooking, I just don’t have unlimited time to dedicate to it. But things are in the pipeline rest assured :)

Maybe, I’ll ponder it, maybe experiment a bit. But I have not achieved my goals yet, so it’s too early to end it out right

I personally blocked literally all users from lemmy.ml 9 months ago - going so far as to move to PieFed where I could actually accomplish that aim - and I have enjoyed the Threadiverse much better since then! :-) We’ll be fine then, methinks.

Just blocking .ml on an individual basis, while good for individuals to not see their crap, doesn’t really fix the problem. The continued spread of misinformation and attempts to enforce the narrative as “truth” by making it appear as though there’s no dissent about it (on .ml).

This is harming the overall growth of the Threadiverse IMHO. New users come, aren’t aware they need to block .ml and miss the threads talking about it, and then get scared off when inevitably they start going on one of their rants about how NK isn’t a dictatorship. Or maybe they never come back after commenting in support of Ukraine or something (Which they continue to push the Russia narrative is being entirely run by “Nazis” and Russia was justified to invade), get dunked on and then catch a ban for it.

Russia has been talked about for having mis/disinformation campaigns for the purpose of furthering their goals for at least a decade now. We should not be a party to allowing that to spread. And I see a crap ton of various untrustworthy news sites they pass off as highly credible and will viciously defend it and censor anyone who calls it out.

Yea, I truly believe that’s one of the biggest blockers.

We can fix a lot of things ourselves or just with time like, lack of content, engagement etc. but without a hard-line against the tankies like wide defederation of .ml (or at least just the big ones like .world) fixing the outside reputation is going to be a tall order. Even with PieFed

Thanks for your concern, but I’m perfectly relaxed, this is part of my documentation efforts.

People that see the world in black and white are dangerous. The bad, moms basement kind of dangerous.

Yup, that’s tankies for ya

Unfortunately, PieFed just rolled out app API support, so there’s not that many apps yet. It’s mostly just been the web UI

But off the top of my head I believe Voyager is rolling out PieFed support, but iirc it’s still in beta

I mean sure, except there is no automation lmao it’s all done manually by human hands

I don’t think it was on the support comm, but they did respond on a thread about it once on why they don’t defed from them like they did the other 2.

It boiled down to 3 things: big comms, official Lemmy support comms and the fact the devs rolled out instance blocking tools

The 1st one, I’m hopefully solving with my cross-posting and calls for boycotting, the third one is by calling attention to the fact that it doesn’t work as one would think. Pretty sure everyone thought block meant block when it was being discussed.

I’m hoping that [email protected] will need to a rebirth of that sort lol

.world has not defederated from Lemmy.ml, I really wish they would, being the largest it would be of huge boost to the health of the Threadiverse

But the others are Hexbear and Lemmygrad (if you wanna see some of the things they say, check this thread out (viewed as a local post outside your client) https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48132283)

They’re definitely not Tankies, but I don’t know of their politics beyond that…as it should be IMO for any project intended to be widely used

Lemmy.cafe is a wonderful little instance that defeds from the whole Triad while federating with most of the rest of the network

That’s just what the .ml admins do, check out the megathread

Any criticism of them, their instance, the triad, their stances, preferred sources or their favored authoritarian regimes are generally removed.

And, as a cherry on top, they’ll turn around and criticize other instances like .world or SJW as the ones who censor “wrong think” or censor criticism of the instance lol

That doesn’t sound unusual, it’s probably the heat they wanted

is like ‘burning the Library of Congress’

Don’t fucking give them any ideas

You’re right, but also taking together their comment history, we can reasonably assume that they chose their username with the intent to slur rather than as a more benign meaning.

Yea, for the most part, but it’s still fully federated so you’ll still be part of the Threadiverse and will be able to fully see and interact with all of Lemmy’s content and users without issues

But, on PieFed, at least block means block, blocking lemmy.ml or any other instance on PieFed blocks comms and users alike and blocking an individual user on PieFed means they won’t be seeing any of your comments or posts. So none of this mute BS on Lemmy where problematic users can still brigade your content and comment “behind your back” on your posts/comments without your knowledge