The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
It’s like that saying goes: “The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge.”
That’s BS. The king would never need to sleep under a bridge and if he chose to the police would be there to kick out the homeless people and make sure the king is safe for the night.
That’s the point of the saying. The law can be crafted to treat everyone equally, while only benefitting the king.
Edit: It’s why the billionaire media is so angry at the concept of “equity” and “wokeness”. Both terms help us beggars discuss our situation, and both might threaten the king’s throne, if we realize how simply the laws could be adjusted for what we want from them, rather than for what the king wants.
Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken.
I bet this guy knows how to play Mario Kart.
There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
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You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
You have been playing too much rainbow six. There are no good guys in the halls of power looking after us.
There are only the rich fucks over here and the rich fucks over there pulling the levers of power.
Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.
This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.
Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right
How is this all normal and ok?
It’s not normal. It’s ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.
Can someone try blowing up their servers? That’d be nice.
The wrong Amazon is burning
More than just America need to stand against Israel.
Except we’re the purse, so if we truly oppose it, we can easily make it stop.
Money won’t stop a genocidal cult from nuking the planet.
Stopping the money and supply of arms sure might help.
i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.
Not just the military. I found out Palantir had a contract with my own city to develop and test their predictive policing technology until 2018. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd
The city banned predictive policing and facial recognition tech, then quietly lifted the ban and replaced it with a very concerning ordinance in 2022. https://thelensnola.org/2022/02/17/mayor-cantrell-moves-to-reverse-bans-on-facial-recognition-predictive-policing-and-other-surveillance-tech/
Then it came out that the city wasn’t even following the rules they had created in the sketchy ordinance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/19/live-facial-recognition-police-new-orleans/
The private surveillance company using the facial recognition tech (which was created during the time Palantir was still under contract with the city, but is allegedly totally unrelated to Palantir 🙄) couldn’t keep providing the real time facial recognition tracking to city police bc WaPo exposed they were violating the ordinance. However, since it’s only a city ordinance and they’re a private company, they can still provide it to literally anyone else in the city (state police, federal agents, ICE, military).
They’ve already been doing a lot of shady shit to American citizens, and it’s naive to just trust that they won’t eventually start using these kinds of AI drone weapons on American soil.
red light cameras already using facial recognition, to catch would be “runners of red light”, LEO was already using PAlintr PRIOR TO trump announcing “all agencies must use palintir, to target democrats”
Who’s Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I’m asking for the general scoop.
Palantir, as you know is the all seeing stone in LOTR, THiel is obsessed with LOTR for the wrong reasons, he named several companies after lotr themes: MITHIRL, andurl, lembas,etc. Peter thiel is the funds behind AI tech that palantir uses, which is used by the military and now by Some LEO. basically a spying software with AI.
The rogue state of Israel has immunity from the US and its satellites.
It’s absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it’s the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I’m not sure if anything even can be done anymore…
Don’t worry. “Laws” are being enforced all the time. It’s just not the ones that you imagine.
There’s always something.
I hope so, I genuinely do.
they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.
It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.
It is not and never has been ok.
All’s fair in love and war.
Just listen to NPR. It’s all good!!! smh.
It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what’s normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.
The US gave Israel, an evil state, nuclear weapons. By your logic…
Well they were less evil back then… now I think we should cut off all support. And I think we probably would stop the donations, if it wasn’t for Iran being allied with Ruzzia.
Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
No it doesn’t.
Truth is hard to swallow. Regardless, people are dying anyway.
Truth is hard to swallow
Apparently Israel’s cock is not
Equating Israel to USA in its right to exist is not swallowing its cock.
They are right. Except one problem still can be solved, the other not so much. Maybe a few centuries after now somebody will think of something. Slow demographic changes and more modern weapons, that stuff.
Appreciate your optimism that Israel is a solvable problem.
Why not, “and genocide is wrong in both cases,” rather than, “and thus they’re both okay?”
Because USA will never admit its disgusting foundations on genocide, slavery, etc. They would rather jerk off dead enslavers and continue supporting genocide.
So the USA will never admit it, which somehow means you personally have to have a shitty view supporting genocide, too? I still don’t understand the connection, because there isn’t one.
Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.
What part of that completely factual statement don’t you believe?
The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
Our past atrocities do not justify current atrocities. Sorry.
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
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Why not?
Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn’t agree with collectivist ideology.
Why would it be different for them?
Are they in the room with us right now?
Sure, just check the modlog, there is thousands of murder calls and violent action calls erased everyday. That’s the ones that get reported.
I feel comfortable saying no one here is surprised in the slightest by the level of violent discourse shared in here on Lemmy
Because lemmings that try doing it would be pulled in front of a judge if they went public about it afterwards. It would a) just be a single person that would b) face consequences for that action.
Israel on the other hand is a state level actor killing civilians in another jurisdiction. I know it’s just another war crime between many others at this point, but it bears noticing just how little the consequences have become
Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
A huge mistake, apparently
Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it’s the only safeguard against attack.
Also see Libya’s nuclear program.
Typically, no one wants to die for stupid shit, especially when they are in the wrong. But when there is no consequences such as dying, a.k.a no nukes, why not go to war and take everything? There’s no morals between countries…unless enforced by nukes.
This is why I’m pro nuclear armament of all countries.
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This is the dumbest possible position because it maximizes the chance that they are used. There is no reason to think mad working was likely amongst a few actors and it almost failed repeatedly. There is even less reason to suppose it scales.
If they do need to be used anyway, then it was perhaps for the best.
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Your mod history tells me you aren’t worth knowing. Blocked.
yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism
Japan doesn’t have nukes though. They don’t even allow nukes in their territory. They could make them if they wanted to, they have all the necessary industry to make them, but they don’t actually have any.
There’s word of sharing nukes with the US, thanks to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and threatening to nuke any nation that tries to help them, but I’m not sure that’s actually gone ahead.
should?
Wait what
yes. the fact that Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons and Israel and the US still went after then is proof that they should have had nuclear weapons. because guess what would happen if they did. Israel would have stayed the fuck away.
Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that’s not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation
Or do you see them staying the fuck away?
Because I certainly don’t
lol what. yeah the parties that don’t have the nukes do retaliate when the parties with the nukes are the aggressors. Iran didn’t start a war. Palestine isn’t even involved in a war that’s just genocide.
You are clearly seeing having nukes has no effect on retaliation, so why would you insist on it?
Iran is a terrorist state run by lunatics. Them and Israel having them is even worse than Israel having them.
weird how Israel is the one that keeps invading other countries, not to mention terrorizing palestine for its entire existence.
See Budapest Memorandum
Because you don’t wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.
It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
Bullshit
You’ll need to elaborate if you want to actually contribute.
The president of the US doesn’t have their hand up the PM of Israel’s ass. This is especially true of Biden who was known to be on his way out either way. We can withdraw support but its difficult for the US pres to do so unilaterally when Israel is politically popular on both side. Given the lack of power to make it stick such a phone call from Biden would have been ignored in favor of waiting for a change of regime.
Who upvotes this shit? Are people here really this naive?
I don’t see how that is naive at all. We prop Israel up. If the president calls Bibi and threatens to stop all aid, unless they imposed a ceasefire, it would happen. They have so much power, tech and weaponry because we give it to them. If we pointed the barrel of the most powerful military on earth at them, they would cease immediately.
This will never happen tho. People don’t become president without complete subjugation to the hegemonic narrative (including zionism). Complete fantasy.
Oh I never said it would happen. It will never happen.
I hate that USA is enabling them,
USA is just as guilty as the genocidal cult, perhaps even more so. Somehow I have more sympathy for the brainwashed than the profiteering.
There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
Pretty sure there were reputable news articles right after Oct 7th that said that Israel’s intelligence was basically aware but decided to ignore it/dismiss it. So in this case they willfully ignored it for some reason, I wonder why…
They downplayed the threat, it’s not the first time they did just like Russia was also warned about Kursk offensive and still let it happen
Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
I strongly recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappe. He describes well how Israels society has deep internal rifts as the narrative of Zionism ultimately failed to build a cohesive society.
So ultimately Israel needs the eternal war for two main reasons:
- To keep the support by its western lapdogs up, by presenting itself as the eternal victim under war.
- To keep the internal pressure contained by the necessity to hold together because of war.
See for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo
Have you never heard of zionism? This has been the plan for over a century.
Yeah it’s not that Israel is planning this, it’s that this is the plan of Israel the whole thing is this plan.
I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout. And obviously killing civilians, which the scientists and their families are, but obviously Israel has shown in the past they don’t care about that.
Every military makes plans for any contingency,
In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.
If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.
Militaries tend to do both this things.
Only one is defensible.
The other is offensive yes.
November, you say? I wonder what happened in November that caused Netanyahu to be emboldened to the point of planning Iranian assassinations…
They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
o no! israel thwarted iran’s nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!
I’m sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd’s
i’m sure i don’t make asinine assumptions about other people.
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
You’re part of the problem.
o my sweet summer child…
I’m not saying they couldn’t be. I’m saying that the official body meant to oversee this has not yet put out proof that they are. So we can imagine all we want. If the professional independent watchdog that is checking for this has not officially made a statement with undeniable proof that they are, they aren’t.
Who has more insight in the matter, you or the IAEA?
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.
I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.
Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.
I’m just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that’s just my 2 cents.
According to the IAEA, the Natanz site was producing uranium enriched to 60% u-235.
For electricity, you need 3-5% u-235.
That’s not an energy program, that’s a weapons program.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:
Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?
Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.
There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).
The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.
Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.
iran shouldn’t have funded hamas and terrorist activity around the world. Iran fucked around and now its finding out.
Iran is simply countering the terrorist state known as israel.
the terrorist state that launched a war against real terrorists after they murdered over 1200 people and took hundreds of people including children hostage.
your REAL terrorist propaganda doesn’t work on me. blocked.
Oh right, I forgot that history started on October 7th.
Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
Edit: I stand corrected.
Looked it up because I wanted to be sure…
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
Here’s Netanyahu passing the buck:
At the very least, the information was out there and either he knew it and allowed it to happen (maybe wasn’t aware it would be that successful), or was grossly incompetent and derelict in his duties.
So Netanyahu let close to 1200 Israelis die of which 736 were civilians? Are any Israelis condemning him for that?
There is also the Hannibal directive that was used against Civilians that die.
Israel killed a non disclosed number of its own Civilians to prevent them being taken hostage. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430
Yes. There are a lot of protests against him. It’s just not enough.
Yes? I gave him the benefit of the doubt when I said he didn’t realize it would be so successful. Not sure he even deserves that.
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Thank you. The depths of that man’s evil never cease to amaze me.
The safest strategy with people like him is to assume there is no floor, and that for everyone else’s safety, he should be humanely put down on that floor next to his morality.
And I mean put down in the sense we talk about our aged pets, and I know it’s truly better than he deserves.
It’s confirmed. As is Israel funding Hamas.
I never saw how that played out. I’ve seen articles that Israel escorted Quatars donations/aid/whatever you want to call it into Gaza in cash, but where was the link that it was their money as well
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…
Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?
Yeah, that’s cool.
Well I guess my opinion is that it’s essentially never “legitimate” to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?
In this case, I’m sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn’t crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.
If that’s your metric, then I think Israel meets it. Iran has sponsored and directed non-state actors in Israel. These include both Hamas and Hezbollah. Additionally, Houthi militants have targeted Israeli civilian shipping.
If a state is to be held accountable for non-state actors then I do not believe Israel or the United States has any moral high ground whatsoever. Even less than if we strictly limit the scope to only state actions.
So Israel subjugates, kicks people from their homes, and guns them down en mass at peaceful protests for years. Then Hamas lashes back out in what we call a terrorist attack. Then Israel uses it as a reason to further their subjugation and commit genocide. The Houthis say they will shoot at any countrys ships who is trading with Israel unless they stop their massacre. And you’re saying that it would have been a better response for Iran to just bomb Israel without notice. Maybe you’re right. Most of the world should have done something to stop what Israel was doing, but most of it was about putting pressure on the U.S. to say this isn’t worth us spending money on, and convince us to tell Israel to stop or we’d cut aid and sanction them. If Iran attacked in defense of the Palestinians, Israel would once again have made it out that they were somehow the victim. They aren’t. The only reason the “2 state solution” never came to be is because Israel made sure it would never happen.
state terror
Yeah, the ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ larpers dont do anything else
need to stop
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we’d see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.
The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
And this part, you’re saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can’t think of any other solutions, then please, don’t be part of the solution.
I hope your right, but i don’t know if they know how to stop,
Few things say “you need a nuke, you need it right now” like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night
One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.
I don’t agree with Israel at all. But Iran is a theocratic ethnostate as well. One that has pretty loudly proclaimed that the day they have nuclear weapons is the day before they use one on Israel. There’s nobody out there who’s in a morally high position.
No Iran definitely has the moral high ground, by a fair margin. Israel has been committing a genocide, as well as running a full on apartheid ethnostate, if you didn’t know. But even if we ignore that, the IAEA as wel as the American intelligence community (think NSA, CIA and so on) have both assessed, as recently as a week ago, that Iran has not attempted to build nuclear weapons since 2003. Iran is being bombed, illegally, based on a lie. That’s high ground enough for me.
No, Iran is definitely not on any sort of moral high ground. They and Israel are so deep underground they’re communicating with the mole people.
I think you stronly underestimate how bad genocide is. Are you a history buff? In the 20th century there was this guy called Hitler. He became the personification of evil because he committed genocide. That’s where Israel is at. Iran, as far as I know, is not committing a genocide.
I don’t think you give a shit about genocide, personally, you’ve just picked the Palestinian Genocide as your particular favourite issue to bang your drum about.
Tell me, what are your opinions on:
- The Ukrainian Genocide (by Russia)
- The Masalit Genocide (by Sudan)
- The Rohingya Genocide (by Myanmar)
- The Uyghur Genocide (by China) ?
And those are the other genocides happening literally right now!
Let’s go a little further back:
- The Tigray Genocide (by Ethiopia in 2022)
- The Yazidi Genocide (by ISIS in 2014)
- The Darfur Genocide (By the RSF in 2005)
- The Bosnian Genocide (by Serbia in 1995)
- The Death Commissions (by Iran from 1981-1988. Ebrahim Raisi, President of Iran until 2024 was literally on the panels that executed people for being non-Muslim!)
- The Kurdish Genocide (by Iraq in 1988 and arguably by Turkey and Iran now, given that pro-Iran protestors set fire to the Kurdish party offices in Iraq)
So no, I don’t think you care. If you did, you wouldn’t be supporting Iran who gives drones to Russia to commit genocide and have themselves committed genocide. You would be calling for Iran’s government to be deposed for the religious nutjobs that they are.
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They can stop enrichment of uranium any time it’s not even the only choice for nuclear power and they long surpassed the target they need to generate power. They ARE trying for nukes just aren’t close due to first negotiations then sabatogue and murders.
They ARE trying for nukes
What do you know that the IAEA, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, and the rest of the entire American intelligence community don’t? What an unbelievably arrogant way to fall for the exact same lie that they used for the illegal invasion of Iraq and all the war crimes that ensued.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/21/middleeast/iran-nuclear-sites-hit-us-explainer-intl-hnk
They are enriching uranium to 60% Note CNN isnt the only source for this.
They need 3-5% for nuclear power
What do you think they are doing. Experts say not that they aren’t working towards the appropriate tech but that they aren’t close.
You listed all sorts of sources but cited specific statements do you could borrow the appearance of expertise while putting your statements in their mouths.
For instance I looked into the iaea I could find no statement to the effect that they aren’t working towards nuclear weapons. They would in fact be stupid not to.
As far as I can tell you are confused. I look forward to your detailed sources and reputations
Oh gosh oh wow good find, you should pass those on to the IAEA and NSA and so on because I guess they missed this when they assessed that Iran hasn’t tried to build nuclear weapons since 2003. Fucking moron.
Theocracy maybe, but I definitely wouldn’t consider Iran an ethnostate
Theocracy yes, almost as badly as the zionists. Ethnostate no. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, hazbarite.
When was the last time Iran invaded land to settle it with its own people?
Yes, because iran is as bad in one single way as the zionists, they’re also as bad in all the other ways.
Like how im a really shitty painter, so therefore im exactly as bad as hitler in everything.
Im glad you understood precisely what i was saying there. Really helps my faith in humanity.
Like how im a really shitty painter, so therefore im exactly as bad as hitler in everything.
If you say so.
I think their last offensive war was tge 1700s? Since then it appears they have been mostly playing the soft power war by proxy game. While their main antagonists actively invade, infiltrate and kill them.
I can’t personnally get over the facts that invaders overthrew their democracy because of fucking oil.
The perpetrators should nuke themselves out of shane. Their intelligence agents should auto-trotsky themselves.
If I learned anything from the 2024 election it’s that we must unequivocally support the lesser evil. Since Israel attacked first (and is actively committing genocide), that means Iran is the lesser evil and therefore they are perfect and not supporting them means you support genocide. /s
The other is the world’s biggest bully and largest exporter of “freedom”, as seen in Lybia, Iraq and even Iran back in the 1950s
Lol, that sounds fake.
i’m sure everything will be fine.
Don’t check the news.
10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when he went full villain.
Let me fix the headline - Israel commits more state sponsored terrorist attacks in neighbouring countries.
Jesus they killed everyone in the apartment complex including their kids how is this not a war crime?!?
The only difference between Israel and a terrorist organization is PR and budget.
Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
When they’re not european.
It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly “made legal”, but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.
It’s always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.
Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn’t actually exist at all.
I’m surprised there aren’t more high level assassinations.
I’m surprised they’re publicly announcing this one.
I think it’s probably pretty hard to keep simultaneously assassinating 10 targets and their families under wraps, so they’re trying to get ahead of accusations by pretending it’s a show of military strength instead of horrifying skynet murder.
It looks especially bad when they’re pointing the finger at Iran for fucking cluster bombs.
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
I mean… That is how this works. Cluster bombs are bad because they’re less precise and cause more collateral damage. So weapons that target individuals with high precision are better
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
No, they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
That’s why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.
But that’s it exactly - cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random. It’s basically just collateral damage in the hopes of hitting a soft target
I mean, fuck palantir and I really don’t like this tech in general, but blowing up a room or a house is way more precise. You’re hitting just what you mean to hit
And that’s what a lot of war crimes come down to - certain weapons are unacceptably imprecise. Which gets into the first rule of war crimes - you’re not supposed to attack noncombatants
Let’s not defend cluster bombs just because Israel is going to use this for justification…
Because of course they will, this whole thing started by blowing up the Iranian negotiator, they’re obviously not going to start acting in good faith now
they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
No matter where you are on the scale, you could always get better (just killing the intended target) and worse (low yield nuke somewhere near the building.)
The saddest part is when they calculate that the collateral damage is “beneficial” to their cause. That’s the kind of calculation that tends to become more and more inaccurate over the long term.
They are more precise than cluster bombs.
I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a “worse way” to do warfare, but that doesn’t move the needle on how bad it is to say: “Welp, there’s a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don’t like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping.”
The thing is, until someone actually faces any consequences in modern times for atrocities such as these; simply saying how bad they are has become meaningless.
It isn’t meaningless.
It is not enough in itself and being like “well i said it, now all is done from my side” is problematic.
Still it is important to call it out as a mean to pressure those with direct power to enact consequences to do so.
Saying it’s bad is a step better than saying nothing, which is a step better than parroting the speeches provided by Great Leader’s party promoters.
Civilian nuclear scientists working in enrichment are not protected by the Geneva convention. Technically it is legal to kill them when engaged in warfare.
Has Israel officially declared war on Iran? Apart from that, why aren’t they protected by the Geneva convention?
An official declaration of war is not required. These nuclear scientists are not protected by the Geneva convention because Iranian nuclear infrastructure, including persons, are military targets. The purpose is to destroy Iran’s nuclear capacity and that’s a purposeful military objective.
That sounds like total bullshit, according to that logic anything could be declared a military target and therefore nothing would fall under the Geneva convention. I think you’re talking out of your ass.
You are more than welcome to cite the actual Geneva convention to show where I’m wrong.
What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just…killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!
because the ultra wealthy can’t cook, can’t produce the stuff needed to cook, can’t build super cars or private jets or build mansions, they can’t make the latest high tech gadgets, they can’t produce the most stylish of clothes or expensive watches. That’s why they keep us around. They need us plebs to make them stuff and produce their wealth to purchase the shit we make.
This why they are so obsessed with AI. When AI can do whatever they want, the rest of us will be exterminated like pests.
Who would’ve guessed skynet was purposefully created by the wealthy back when T2 came out amongst us general public?
I was like, “oh that’s so eerie” as a youngster. The truth behind this path has, unfortunately, been both more embarrassing and savage.
At least there’s no way they won’t turn AI against each other and extinction themselves in the process.
I think wage slaves will be cheaper than robots for a while longer
Maybe just save yourself the trouble and get a heads up you know
The rich are only rich because the money they possess can be exchanged directly or indirectly for people’s labour. Without it, the money is valueless and the rich cease to be. It’s also one reason why labour strikes are so effective and the rich have had to create militias to prevent them.
You miss the point. If they get AI to the point where it can replicate our work “well enough”, it won’t need to even be intelligent or invent new things.
They won’t need to care about money, if they get to the point where AI produces and maintains everything for them.
I understand completely what you’re saying and I have considered it. I just don’t believe we’ll ever get to the point where a fully automated system produces all necessary goods for high standard of living without human labour required. Worse, even if we get to the point where significantly less labour is required, history informs us that the unemployed would very likely revolt and take power through violence. Especially because we won’t be able to go from the status quo to a state where we neutralize revolting people automatically in a short enough time frame for people to be caught by surprise and unable to revolt. Not to mention that a part of such a revolt would likely include the stoppage of work by people who work on, maintain and operate the automation. I think the most likely scenario as we go down this path would be the formation of militant labour unions that take power back from the rich and steer automation into producing for the majority. Whether we go away from capitalism through this change or reshape it, I don’t have a guess.
The ratio of poor to ultra wealthy is far greater than a million to one. Other than that, the only practical reason they have for not doing it is that they still need human labor for most of what they do. That isn’t going to change anytime soon, despite AI. However, they don’t need their labor force to be free or happy, which is why the US is on the cusp of a fascist takeover.
The rule of law has largely stopped mattering to the ultra wealthy. It may occasionally inconvenience them, but they know it will never affect them in any personal way.
Not all of the ultra wealthy are socipaths. Unfortunately, terminal-stage capitalism does a surprisingly good job of selecting for sociopathy at the very top of the hierarchy. Becoming that rich requires both a strong belief that you deserve it and a disregard for how acquiring it harms others.
One weird thing I noticed is the children inheriting the welth also tend to be psycho. Perhaps having everything you need destroys empathy?
That is a good point. I think you’re right that being raised in an entitled environment by a socipathic parent brings out the worst in people. It also selects for the worst child being the one who wins the fight to take over the business.
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Yeah that’s why collectivists worldwide always strive to think for you what you need, and taking the standard of living to the lowest possible level, that’s way no one can have have what they need, except obviously the ones in power, ideologically speaking
I would never allow it. Experimenting with gadget combos is how I live
Because drones are expensive, and it would be a waste of money to use them on poor people.
Why would they do that? Then there’d be noone to work the mines…
Why would anyone do this? Why wouldn’t the normal legal process supported by all the rest of the rich bozos stop the one Uber rich psycho.
Why would anyone not notice a million terminators being made before they were unleashed?
I believe they were sarcastic, their name is listed as worldsdumbestman
Yeah, if it wasn’t only because people in here love that type of “sarcastic” comments
I mean 26 upvotes for a clearly deranged idea?
Jeezus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
the rate at which i’ve been referencing slaughterbots has steadily been increasing…
Then who would they lord over and whose hard work would they make their money off of, on the other hand using these threats to bring back slavery feels like the scarier future to me
We in the USA are telling farmers that they won’t deport their labor if they are accountable to them. They can very easily have those who defect or resist in any way deported to concentration camps. They can also be imprisoned for trying to slip over the border the other way.
They can have a large zoo
Pretty much this and the answer is nothing. This is the world we have created where people are murdered just because. We are the ultimate terrorist.
Are you just like that by default or are you just missing your daily pills?
Maybe stop projecting your inner traumas towards the world, and get help. Can’t be possible to live a healthy life with that mindset
