• kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    4·
    2 hours ago

    Remember, they are saying what would need to be true to justify what they plan to do. This should be read as Elon declaring intent to put homeless people in camps.

  • Realitätsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
    13·
    1 hour ago

    To be fair, that is kinda nonsense. Germany and austria, for example have a lot of support networks for people in need, we even have entire networks dedicated to supporting homeless people, so nobody has to be homeless here - yet we do have a lot of them. For some people, homelessness is almost a choice more than an involuntary decision.

    Obviously, idk how this would be in america, but I don’t think it would be a lot different.

  • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
    15·
    8 hours ago

    Homeless: without a home.

    Weird how he’s lying again. I’ve been there, and I can promise this fuckwit that not having a roof or food in the middle of winter in a city where the stoplights literally freeze is not some kind of illusion. That being prodded away from a public bench in sub-zero temperatures so you can shamble a few blocks whilst the sleep in your eyes freezes, over and over for weeks, so you can’t get more than an hour sleep at a time for months, isn’t the holiday he thinks it is.

    Jesus christ, I bob my head to the surface for this? It’s like he’s not even trying to be relatable now.

      • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        9·
        10 hours ago

        Gonna need you to define “that” in "that money.” If you mean government programs, much of those were defunded back in the Reagan admin. While institutions back then did need broad changes, their removal without a suitable replacement vastly increased the homelessness issue.

  • Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml
    3·
    8 hours ago

    I’m surprised he chose to express his point in this manner. Unless this is an expression of humanity from Mr Musk that we’re so otherwise unaccustomed to that it’s hard to recognise, then I assume he wants to persuade people to have less empathy or sympathy for homeless people, not more. This statement, taken at face value would seem to suggest that contrary to what some may think, homeless people are facing significant challenges not of their own making that have contributed directly to their circumstances.

    I’m going to guess that’s not how he meant it

  • adm@lemm.eeEnglish
    10·
    11 hours ago

    You know, even if what he’s saying is half true. We HAD systems to help those mentally ill drug addicts and they got gutted. Making them, wait for it, Homeless! you prick.

  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
    12·
    12 hours ago

    the US in total is a right-wing place that thinks that “hard work” is the way of life, and anybody who doesn’t adhere to that is a “drug-addict” or a psychopath.

    • smeenz@lemmy.nz
      5·
      7 hours ago

      I wonder what we should call a violent drug addict, convicted of inciting insurrection, living in housing paid for by the public ?

  • murmurations@lemmy.sdf.org
    9·
    12 hours ago

    One of the talking points in South Africa goes like this:
    The “homeless” black people that live in corrugated metal slums all have mansions that were stolen from white people and given to them by the government when apartheid ended.
    They choose to live in slums to work in the cities, and go back to their mansions when they’re not working. Alternatively, they don’t live at their mansions because they are too lazy/dumb to actually take care of the property.

    • Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml
      3·
      8 hours ago

      Hahaha that’s gold. It’s kind of hard for me to accept anybody really believes that. Feels like some disingenuous conviction there or deliberately not examining the statement because they know on at least one level it’s too completely illogical to be true but then again there are some people who’ve had such serious distortions to their reasoning over time that they’re not even lying anymore when they claim to believe this stuff.

  • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.eeEnglish
    12·
    13 hours ago

    Also half of all homeless people are foster kids who aged out of the system. They don’t have a family to fall back on.

    • LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      3 hours ago

      I’d say destroying USAID is the one good thing they did. Long term mind you. I won’t deny the short term effects of such an instant cutoff to these programs.

      But USAID is primarily used to disrupt the economic systems of nations that the US exploits for cheap labor.

      I’d quote the revolutionary Thomas Sankara

      Those who come with wheat, millet, corn or milk, they are not helping us. Those who really want to help us can give us ploughs, tractors, fertilizers, insecticides, watering cans, drills and dams. That is how we would define food aid.

      The US primarily uses its food aid to disrupt these nations from being self sustainable and force their industry into a single crop that is most beneficial for US capitalist to export.

      So, while the shorterm is bad. The disconnection of these exploitative relationships are good.

      Obviously it would be better if these programs were slowly removed. But continuing them for the next 4 years would be worse then ending them drastically.

      Also, mind you, I don’t think Trump even realizes why these programs exist to benefit the US exploitation of the third world. I think he sees them simply as “foreign aid”. So his own ignorance of them actually ends up destroying an important part of US Imperialism by mistake.

      Removing the exploitative relationships that the US has with third world countries in the form of “foreign aid” is good. It’s just that (1) Trump actually thinks these benefit these nations. Which they do not. And (2) the well intentioned liberals thinks the same as Trump does. So we end up with this weird state where both are wrong but the policy is actually good long term.

      Again, there will absolutely be problems as these dependencies are cut of so quickly. But no more than the continued exploitation in the long term would result in.

      At Thomas Sankara said. These direct food injections are not helpful. They are a way that capitalist use to direct the economy of third world nations towards dependency on America Imperialism. Ending them is good for these nations. Even if there are struggles when they end.

      Self determination and self sustainability have been robbed from these nations by USAID for decades.