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Fuck, china is so brutal to just arrest people simply on the suspicion of illegally providing state secrets to foreign countries! What kind of country does that? 915 days now!
… and the missing sunshine part really makes me wonder what those Uyghurs were missing during their time of imprisonment…
- Edham Mamet: 2827 days
- Arkin Mahmud: 2793 days
- Ahmad Tourson: 2824 days
- Abdul Razak: 3586 days
- Hassan Anvar: 2818 days
- Ahmed Adil: 1547 days
- Yusef Abbas: 4204 days
- Akhdar Qasem Basit: 1425 days
- Bahtiyar Mahnut: 2791 days
- Abdul Helil Mamut: 2558 days
- Haji Mohammed: 1425 days
- Saidullah Khalik: (data missing)
- Abdul Ghappar: 2679 days
- Hajiakbar Abdulghupur: (data missing)
- Abu Bakr Qasim: 1425 days
- Abdullah Abdulqadirakhun: 2558 days
- Dawut Abdurehim: 2677 days
- Adel Abdulhehim: 1425 days
- Emam Abdulahat: 2558 days
- Hozaifa Parhat: 2604 days
- Hammad Memet: 3586 days
- Adel Noori: 2706 days
That sucks
Wonder how Leonard Peltier is feeling
Whataboutism. Nobody said America and China can’t both be bad.
Except that they’re not both bad, that’s just something Americans keep repeating.
Except they are.
That’s certainly what victims of US propaganda machine believe, but it’s also objectively false.
Welp, case closed. Someone said their opinion is objective truth. I guess denying humans sunshine is only subjectively evil.
Objective facts have nothing to do with anybody’s opinions and the facts are that quality of life in China continues to improve for the vast majority of the people. The government is actively working on doing things like eliminating poverty, creating public infrastructure, providing healthcare, housing, food, and education for all citizens. Chinese government practically eliminated poverty, and in fact China is the only place in a world where any meaningful poverty reduction is happening. If we take China out of the equation poverty actually increased in real terms:
China used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century, they built 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade. 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. Finally, social mobility in China is such that Americans can only dream of.
Anybody who looks at this and thinks China is evil is utterly morally bankrupt.
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Ah yes, the government that lifted 800 million people out of abject poverty is a bunch of cunts. Imagine being so utterly morally bankrupt to genuinely believe that. Have you been to China, have you talked to people who actually live there. Nobody in the world aside from brainwashed westerners believes the drivel that you spew. The only reason you hate China is because your oligarch owned media tells you to.
You know this isn’t about China, right? Your obsession with posting about how amazing ANOTHER COUNTRY’S GOVERNMENT is? Another friday night creating posts and commenting to anyone who mentions China? You see how that’s sad and not normal, right?
This isn’t about the CCP or changing minds. It’s about you and I hope you can see that. We can. It’s about giving you an identity and a purpose and bathing in the notoriety of being one of the most prolific posters on a tiny little server called Lemmygrad. I always feel sad for you when I see you out there simping for a government body, but then I see your smugness and rudeness and I feel less bad.
Hopefully you won’t be an old nan yelling at clouds forever.
You’re right, it’s not about China at all, it’s me having to read ignorant drivel from arrogant Americans. You’ve created one of the most deplorable societies in the history of the human race, and a bunch of you are running around bleating about how everyone else is just as bad. Clearly you don’t see how sad and not normal that is. What’s really sad is that I live rent free in your head.
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What replaces them?
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Prisons will still be necessary for the most egregious and irredeemable criminals. The sad reality is that there are certain people who simply need to be sequestered from the rest of society for the general public’s safety, and no amount of rehabilitation or intervention will solve that. But that should be the exception, not the norm. The massive prison population is absolutely a problem, but it isn’t something that can be completely abolished. It may be called something else in the future (like a long-term involuntary mental health facility,) but it’s still serving the same basic function while wearing a more friendly mask.
It could be abolished in the sense that the “location where we keep the most irredeemable people in society, who absolutely can not be left unsupervised” may not be a “prison”, but some other secure facility that maximizes the ability of these people to make whatever contribution they may be able to make to society.
but some other secure facility that maximizes the ability of these people to make whatever contribution to society they may be able to make to society.
Yeah, I touched on that with my last sentence:
It may be called something else in the future (like a long-term involuntary mental health facility,) but it’s still serving the same basic function while wearing a more friendly mask.
There are two problems with that. The first is that “maximizing contribution to society” can easily be interpreted as “being forced to stamp license plates for 16 hours a day.” We already know this is a possible interpretation, because that’s how our system already interprets it. Either way they’re locked up against their will, and are being forced to perform labor to someone else’s benefit. The very nature of their confinement means that any contribution they make will be for someone else and not themselves. And the simple word for that is “slavery”. The second problem is that it’s still prison. We haven’t actually solved the prison problem at all in this scenario; We’ve simply given it a mask so we can say prisons have been abolished. Like if we don’t call them prisons, we can say we don’t have any prisoners.
